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Post by snacky on May 26, 2014 19:50:39 GMT
They already said some time ago that for this season (8) they are doing an episode (or maybe its the 2 parter---not sure) about Murdoch's life from about the age of 9 onward. So the logging camp days, etc. are possibly already written up. Oooh - I can't wait to find out, though I think we already got some insight into his childhood in Season 1. It can't hurt to see what Annie has in mind, though.  Later we can see if great minds think alike. @annie - I think I read somewhere that Ovation did make a deal to purchase distribute MM through season 7, but I think they are still only airing 1-5.  Sorry, we Americans still have to work for some fandom parity. T_T |
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Post by snacky on May 26, 2014 20:03:24 GMT
Carco, do you want an avatar instead of that bald baby? Just tell me which character/s you want, and I'll make you one.
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Post by wildhorseannie on May 27, 2014 0:23:46 GMT
It will be interesting if, in the new episode, they talk about his sister. She seemed like an afterthought, added by the writers later on. Maybe this time she'll get full credit for being there during the tough times with him. In fact, I thought they did kind of a poor job in "Voices" about really discussing his relationship with Susannah during their childhood. Granted, part of that was due to the naturally closed-off personalities of both William and Susannah, but I still would have enjoyed at least one little flashback to them as children. (and P.S. to carco: snacky made my avatar and I love it!! ) |
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Post by snacky on May 27, 2014 1:07:10 GMT
It will be interesting if, in the new episode, they talk about his sister. She seemed like an afterthought, added by the writers later on. Maybe this time she'll get full credit for being there during the tough times with him. In fact, I thought they did kind of a poor job in "Voices" about really discussing his relationship with Susannah during their childhood. Granted, part of that was due to the naturally closed-off personalities of both William and Susannah, but I still would have enjoyed at least one little flashback to them as children. Susannah is in the Maureen Jennings book. There is even another brother that dies soon after after their mother. (But no half-brother Jasper, to my knowledge). In the book it seemed like Susannah was so young when they were separated that William barely knew her. I like the TV show suggestion better: that they were close, but the were driven into the arms of the Catholic church as quasi-orphans, and that gave Susannah nuns for female role models. And what a conflict for William! He is raised into the Catholic faith, but then the only real family he has left goes and chooses to live out her life in the cloister! Yannick Bisson said somewhere that Voices was one of his favorite episodes. It's a shame that the conflicts raised there didn't resonate any further in the series. Even though Voices is a good episode, I've only watched it twice because it is so disconnected to everything else that happens. Religion is a tough thing for TV to shows to deal with since the audience is multi-cultural, and a large chunk of them are not religious at all and find all religious sentiment saccharine, tacky, and cliched. I thought most of Scully's Catholicism in the X-Files was badly handled. It was best when it came up directly in the action of the episode, like when she ran right into an angel that was incinerating people because it was too divine to be beheld. MM has mostly handled it well - Church as an institution where people go to choir practice or someone accidentally makes an inappropriate joke within earshot of the priest, and the priest ignores it. There have been a few episodes where William has asked a priest for advice or prayed. I didn't really buy that he gets the answer he wants about marrying divorced women after praying, but meh. Is it pervy to say I think it's sexy when William prays before going to sleep? Wearing a cross underneath that Victorian "buttoned-up" look is pretty hot, too. I think what's missing is a serious, awesome challenge to William's faith. MM probably hasn't gone there because A) it's a light-hearted show, B) they don't want to risk offending Catholic viewers, and C) Catholic doctrine isn't their strong suit and they don't want to muck it up. I think they should go for it anyway. Emotional torment is what makes MM powerful underneath all the good fun. They've wrung just about everything they can out of the Jilliam angst. Give William a reason - in the Jesuit casuistry sense - to question his God, and make sure it has ramifications on his subsequent life (instead of being forgotten like Voices). |
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Post by wildhorseannie on May 27, 2014 5:51:26 GMT
I guess I have to disagree with you a little here, snacky. Or rather agree with you, but for different reasons. I'm an ardent Christian and think that so far, the writers have done a pretty good job of handling religion through the show. I would actually like to see Murdoch stick to his faith a little more, but for the most part it seems like they at least treat his faith with respect and a semblance of dignity (something often lacking from most other popular shows).
I think it's a good idea that the writers stay away from any serious challenge to his faith, because as you mentioned, they have a diverse audience. People like me would be highly disappointed to see an outright breaking of William's faith. On the other hand, the struggles he's had so far just prove that Christians are still sinners, but he still has his faith to sustain him.
In regards to "Voices," I think that it was very odd as a stand-alone episode, and definitely should have been covered a little more in terms of how the loss of his sister affected his life. But again, as we've mentioned elsewhere, the loss of Liza didn't seem to have the impact I would have expected either. Maybe the writers just can't decide how much they want to torment poor William, lol.
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Post by snacky on May 27, 2014 6:28:05 GMT
I guess I have to disagree with you a little here, snacky. Or rather agree with you, but for different reasons. I'm an ardent Christian and think that so far, the writers have done a pretty good job of handling religion through the show. I would actually like to see Murdoch stick to his faith a little more, but for the most part it seems like they at least treat his faith with respect and a semblance of dignity (something often lacking from most other popular shows). I think it's a good idea that the writers stay away from any serious challenge to his faith, because as you mentioned, they have a diverse audience. People like me would be highly disappointed to see an outright breaking of William's faith. On the other hand, the struggles he's had so far just prove that Christians are still sinners, but he still has his faith to sustain him. In regards to "Voices," I think that it was very odd as a stand-alone episode, and definitely should have been covered a little more in terms of how the loss of his sister affected his life. But again, as we've mentioned elsewhere, the loss of Liza didn't seem to have the impact I would have expected either. Maybe the writers just can't decide how much they want to torment poor William, lol. I'm not particularly religious in the sense I believe that God is human-like and takes a personal interest in my life, but my father was a minister and my mom also worked as a church secretary for most of her career, so I do consider these matters with respect. (Not to mention, I find devout William sexy!). I didn't mean that William should abandon his faith permanently, but I think it should be seriously challenged, and he should have to fight for it. If his faith is part of the core of his character, it should be exploited for its full dramatic potential. It should be used to drive a stake right through his heart! XD It's all the more sweet to discover your faith after you've lost it. I think the issue with Liza is she was also dead in the book, and she was never part of the show: she was just thrown out there as a love obstacle in the first season. The sister also died in the book, but they brought her into the show so late, she definitely could have got a little more "recurring character" play before she died. |
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Post by carco on May 28, 2014 20:37:59 GMT
Carco, do you want an avatar instead of that bald baby? Just tell me which character/s you want, and I'll make you one. Yes, lol... bald baby is getting old ---- fast! Thanks for your offer!! I love the all the main characters but William and Julia are the ones who keep me watching the show so it would have to be them! |
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Post by snacky on May 28, 2014 21:29:58 GMT
Carco, do you want an avatar instead of that bald baby? Just tell me which character/s you want, and I'll make you one. Yes, lol... bald baby is getting old ---- fast! Thanks for your offer!! I love the all the main characters but William and Julia are the ones who keep me watching the show so it would have to be them! Okay, I know for you're a shipper, so that gives me something to start with. |
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Post by snacky on May 28, 2014 21:58:01 GMT
Carco, do you want an avatar instead of that bald baby? Just tell me which character/s you want, and I'll make you one. Yes, lol... bald baby is getting old ---- fast! Thanks for your offer!! I love the all the main characters but William and Julia are the ones who keep me watching the show so it would have to be them! What do you think of this picture? (All pics come from Grande Caps, because of the way they are organized).    |
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Post by carco on May 28, 2014 22:53:33 GMT
Yes, lol... bald baby is getting old ---- fast! Thanks for your offer!! I love the all the main characters but William and Julia are the ones who keep me watching the show so it would have to be them! What do you think of this picture? (All pics come from Grande Caps, because of the way they are organized). Thank you snacky !!!! You truly are a diety  Aw, you take such good care of us...... |
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Post by snacky on May 28, 2014 22:57:49 GMT
What do you think of this picture? (All pics come from Grande Caps, because of the way they are organized). Thank you snacky !!!! You truly are a diety Aw, you take such good care of us...... My pleasure! As you can probably tell, I'm homebound at the minute and need some distraction. If you come up with a better one, don't hesitate to replace it.  |
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Post by wildhorseannie on May 29, 2014 5:00:55 GMT
I guess I have to disagree with you a little here, snacky. Or rather agree with you, but for different reasons. I'm an ardent Christian and think that so far, the writers have done a pretty good job of handling religion through the show. I would actually like to see Murdoch stick to his faith a little more, but for the most part it seems like they at least treat his faith with respect and a semblance of dignity (something often lacking from most other popular shows). I think it's a good idea that the writers stay away from any serious challenge to his faith, because as you mentioned, they have a diverse audience. People like me would be highly disappointed to see an outright breaking of William's faith. On the other hand, the struggles he's had so far just prove that Christians are still sinners, but he still has his faith to sustain him. In regards to "Voices," I think that it was very odd as a stand-alone episode, and definitely should have been covered a little more in terms of how the loss of his sister affected his life. But again, as we've mentioned elsewhere, the loss of Liza didn't seem to have the impact I would have expected either. Maybe the writers just can't decide how much they want to torment poor William, lol. I'm not particularly religious in the sense I believe that God is human-like and takes a personal interest in my life, but my father was a minister and my mom also worked as a church secretary for most of her career, so I do consider these matters with respect. (Not to mention, I find devout William sexy!). I didn't mean that William should abandon his faith permanently, but I think it should be seriously challenged, and he should have to fight for it. If his faith is part of the core of his character, it should be exploited for its full dramatic potential. It should be used to drive a stake right through his heart! XD It's all the more sweet to discover your faith after you've lost it. I think the issue with Liza is she was also dead in the book, and she was never part of the show: she was just thrown out there as a love obstacle in the first season. The sister also died in the book, but they brought her into the show so late, she definitely could have got a little more "recurring character" play before she died. I definitely agree that it would nice to see William return to his faith with a fervor, having overcome a serious challenge to it. But as you mentioned before, the writer's would have to handle it really well to pull it off. They'd also have to be careful not to end up with the other characters as adversaries to William in his faith. I felt like they almost did that too much with Julia in the first season, then eased up and replaced that with pressure from the outside (i.e. the Protestant/Catholic conflicts) which worked much better, IMO. Poor Susannah...in a show that excels in recurring characters, she was just a passing thought. :/ |
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Post by snacky on May 29, 2014 5:14:01 GMT
I definitely agree that it would nice to see William return to his faith with a fervor, having overcome a serious challenge to it. But as you mentioned before, the writer's would have to handle it really well to pull it off. They'd also have to be careful not to end up with the other characters as adversaries to William in his faith. I felt like they almost did that too much with Julia in the first season, then eased up and replaced that with pressure from the outside (i.e. the Protestant/Catholic conflicts) which worked much better, IMO. Poor Susannah...in a show that excels in recurring characters, she was just a passing thought. :/ Yes, that's what I meant, and I agree writers would have to handle it really well to pull it off. I also agree that Julia was occasionally used as an overly harsh foil for William's belief. This has actually made me more curious about her beliefs or lack there of. If she's an atheist, that would have to be well-explained in the context of her time. Is there going to be some sort of debate over the type of wedding ceremony? I wonder if William and/or Julia have any religiously-related habits that would bother each other? I'm sure it would be the source of some very interesting conversations. I hope Julia finds that cross and little nightly prayer as cute as I do! |
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Post by wildhorseannie on May 30, 2014 2:03:16 GMT
Maybe, if the situation is presented well enough, Julia would be converted to a faith as strong as William's. But in the meantime, I think she finds it as cute as you do, snacky  |
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Post by snacky on May 30, 2014 2:54:16 GMT
Maybe, if the situation is presented well enough, Julia would be converted to a faith as strong as William's. But in the meantime, I think she finds it as cute as you do, snacky Hehe, I think she does, too. But I don't want her to be converted. Too much matching faith will make the relationship dull. A little spiritual controversy makes things spicy! (and don't forget the "make up sex"). |
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Later we can see if great minds think alike.
Sorry, we Americans still have to work for some fandom parity. T_T
Aw, you take such good care of us...... 
