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Post by wildhorseannie on May 30, 2014 5:05:44 GMT
Haha, I guess in real life it would be nice if she was converted. For television though it's the spicier, the better I guess!
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Post by snacky on May 30, 2014 5:24:31 GMT
Haha, I guess in real life it would be nice if she was converted. For television though it's the spicier, the better I guess! Hey, shouldn't you be rooting for the Protestant side? D: |
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Post by wildhorseannie on May 30, 2014 5:30:17 GMT
Haha, yes! But I guess Catholicism is better than Julia's apparent atheism/agnosticism.
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Post by snacky on May 30, 2014 5:44:06 GMT
Haha, yes! But I guess Catholicism is better than Julia's apparent atheism/agnosticism. I'm sure she's at least a practicing Protestant for social purposes, but just leaves God out worldly concerns. After the shock of the acceptance of Darwinian theory, the materialist ramifications more or less infected the intellectual sphere, and it really obsessed people. It was the first time in (Western) history that there was a choice *other* than religious interpretation (instead of *among* religious interpretations). The rise of secularism was like spontaneous combustion. It's one of the most important precursors to our modern way of life. Anyway, it looks like Julia is on board with the materialist/secular viewpoint: I'd like to see her articulate it and justify it to William. |
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Post by lovemondays on May 31, 2014 2:06:24 GMT
I'm pretty sure Wm and Julia's different faiths are going to show up when they are trying to plan the wedding! Julia and Darcy were married in a church, Anglican, I presume. William is certainly going to want a church wedding but if it's to be in a Catholic church she'll have to convert. At least that was the practice until the 1950's. Fortunately neither of them has any family around to force the issue. I don't think Ruby would dig in her heels one way or the other because she wants them to get married.
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Post by snacky on May 31, 2014 2:12:58 GMT
I'm pretty sure Wm and Julia's different faiths are going to show up when they are trying to plan the wedding! Julia and Darcy were married in a church, Anglican, I presume. William is certainly going to want a church wedding but if it's to be in a Catholic church she'll have to convert. At least that was the practice until the 1950's. Fortunately neither of them has any family around to force the issue. I don't think Ruby would dig in her heels one way or the other because she wants them to get married. OMG, are you sure she would have to convert in order to be married in the church building? Where did you see that? THE FIGHT WOULD BE ON!!! D: D: D: D: D: D: (The outcome might be William converting. O.o) Actually, I think they'd have to compromise and get married outdoors, or something. But poor William - he's had to sacrifice so many of his dreams already. Not the church wedding, too!!! D: Trying to see if this web site has info on 19th century civil marriages, but I'm having trouble getting it to come up for me, so I'm looking at it on archive.org. www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/love-and-marriage/031001-9000-e.htmlThis web site says: "When Roman Catholics married Protestants, parish priests often had to turn a blind eye." - but it does not specify what turning a blind eye means (use of the church?), and I'm under the impression this mostly applies to frontier towns. It also sounds like the couple would have to work together to convince the Bishop to marry them!!! |
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Post by snacky on May 31, 2014 2:55:14 GMT
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Post by lovemondays on May 31, 2014 3:00:29 GMT
I'll keep looking but I am reasonably certain that the Church would not sanctify or recognize and interfaith marriage. There is also some factoid thread in my head that Catholics could be excommunicated for marrying outside the faith. A priest could marry them but it wouldn't mean anything from a religious standpoint, only a legal one. That may be the issue that leads the writers to probe religious beliefs and practices as you suggested earlier.
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Post by lovemondays on May 31, 2014 3:10:34 GMT
I just read the link. A Protestant minister officiated and the Bishop gave no dispensation i.e. the Church did not sanctify the marriage. William would know this then have to struggle with acceptance before they could proceed in either church.
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Post by snacky on May 31, 2014 3:14:05 GMT
I'll keep looking but I am reasonably certain that the Church would not sanctify or recognize and interfaith marriage. There is also some factoid thread in my head that Catholics could be excommunicated for marrying outside the faith. A priest could marry them but it wouldn't mean anything from a religious standpoint, only a legal one. That may be the issue that leads the writers to probe religious beliefs and practices as you suggested earlier. Yes the web site I looked at it confirmed technically interfaith marriages were not allowed by either Catholics or Protestants, but that technicality was pretty much routinely ignored. But I think it would be impossible for William to get the Bishop's dispensation or to get the Church wedding. This is so sad! After all the other disappointments regarding Julia, after (in theory) saving himself for her, he can't even get the wedding blessed in his God's church.  St. Michael's was so pretty, too. Fairy tale wedding setting. Perhaps Julia can finagle something at the Country Club. lol, I hope they don't have to resort to the FREEMASONS! |
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Post by lovemondays on May 31, 2014 3:35:47 GMT
Nope, they'll have a lovely wedding in Allen Gardens. What do you bet George was ordained at some point then he could officiate!! He has demonstrated a very wide skill set.
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Post by snacky on May 31, 2014 3:42:09 GMT
Nope, they'll have a lovely wedding in Allen Gardens. What do you bet George was ordained at some point then he could officiate!! He has demonstrated a very wide skill set. I had a passing thought about George officiating when I brought up the Freemasons, but I hope they don't do it. That will put a kind of comic spin on the whole thing, and that will be doing shippers a disservice. George's adoptive "father" would be perfect if he were still alive, though. >.< I'll have to look up Allen Gardens. It probably will have to be outdoors. I'm personally partial to Art Nouveau architecture, so I've also been kind of hoping there's some club or civic building they could utilize that would be all artsy-modern. Perhaps a Pendrick building to the rescue? |
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Post by snacky on May 31, 2014 3:58:26 GMT
I was going to suggest that they get married by General Mustard with the Wrench in the Conservatory, but...oh my...  The gorgeous Allen Gardens Conservatory was built in 1910! Because...drumroll please... The previous Pavilion Hall BURNT DOWN IN 1902!!!!!!!! www.blogto.com/city/2010/05/nostalgia_tripping_allan_gardens/  My spidey senses are tingling with wedding drama. Or possibly an episode where things threaten to go wrong at every turn, but nothing does, until the last second before the fade out, where something ridiculous happens, like the sun focuses through a champagne glass to burn the place down. XD |
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Post by lovemondays on May 31, 2014 4:07:48 GMT
Isn't there a fanfiction post about something like that, lol!
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Post by snacky on May 31, 2014 4:16:00 GMT
lol, there might be. It sounds like a fanfic plot.
Unfortunately I spend more time trying to encourage fanfic (to build up the MM fandom) than reading it, so I haven't caught that one yet. XD
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