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Post by faby on Apr 15, 2014 21:12:39 GMT
just two questions I asked myself:
- do we know the reason why O'shea was arrested? He said that he "owned" the docks... and he spent just one night in the cell...
- Is Brackenreid a catholic man?
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Post by snacky on Apr 15, 2014 21:27:13 GMT
just two questions I asked myself: - do we know the reason why O'shea was arrested? He said that he "owned" the docks... and he spent just one night in the cell... - Is Brackenreid a catholic man? Brackenreid is not Catholic, and he doesn't have much regard for the Irish. However, I think Station House 4 oversees a large Irish community, so he probably tries to be diplomatic. He obviously doesn't hold Catholicism against William. That makes me wonder how the matter came up with William first joined the force. I also wonder if Brackenreid "inherited" William. Brackenreid was not William's boss during the Ava Moon incident. I think O'Shea and company were probably just in jail for partaking in fights on the docks. Perhaps gang activity. |
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Post by snacky on May 15, 2014 6:19:15 GMT
Upon rewatching The Death of Dr. Ogden, I got some clarification about where William found the syringe. He said it was in the Hill residence. But that sets up a conundrum: if he also found the pictures there, then Caroline Hill already had the pictures that William later gave her. >.>
William's hypocrisy on the matter of invasion of privacy confirmed.
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Post by carco on May 15, 2014 20:23:55 GMT
Upon rewatching The Death of Dr. Ogden, I got some clarification about where William found the syringe. He said it was in the Hill residence. But that sets up a conundrum: if he also found the pictures there, then Caroline Hill already had the pictures that William later gave her. >.> William's hypocrisy on the matter of invasion of privacy confirmed. I noted that too Snacky (that he told Julia he found it in the Hill residence). When he showed her the picture he was discussing with her the fact he found proof that she had committed a crime and he wanted confirmation from her that it was a photo of her and Lionel. Since William had not yet indicated if he was arresting her she didn't know if the pic was now police property. So she asked if she could keep it. |
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Post by snacky on May 16, 2014 5:40:29 GMT
I noted that too Snacky (that he told Julia he found it in the Hill residence). When he showed her the picture he was discussing with her the fact he found proof that she had committed a crime and he wanted confirmation from her that it was a photo of her and Lionel. Since William had not yet indicated if he was arresting her she didn't know if the pic was now police property. So she asked if she could keep it. Oops, I should have gone back through the thread. Yes, I agree with your conclusion - she was asking if she could have her own picture back from the police investigation, and she was being very gracious about the invasion of her privacy. I still call William on being a hypocrite! Unless he only thinkd it counts as serious detective work when a man does it. |
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Post by carco on May 16, 2014 14:05:53 GMT
I noted that too Snacky (that he told Julia he found it in the Hill residence). When he showed her the picture he was discussing with her the fact he found proof that she had committed a crime and he wanted confirmation from her that it was a photo of her and Lionel. Since William had not yet indicated if he was arresting her she didn't know if the pic was now police property. So she asked if she could keep it. Oops, I should have gone back through the thread. Yes, I agree with your conclusion - she was asking if she could have her own picture back from the police investigation, and she was being very gracious about the invasion of her privacy. I still call William on being a hypocrite! Unless he only thinkd it counts as serious detective work when a man does it. Not an "oops" at all. I remember all the posts we had on this and then later when I was watching the episode for about the 15th time I realized William told Julia he found the syringe in the Hill resident and I smacked my forehead..such a d'uhhh moment.  I have to agree with you on William sneaking into her house to search her room, while Julia had her over for tea (and insults). I can't recall, did we determine if "search warrants" existed in those days? Whatever the case, there was nothing on screen to suggest the lady knew William was up there routing through her bedroom. |
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Post by snacky on May 16, 2014 17:03:03 GMT
did we determine if "search warrants" existed in those days? Whatever the case, there was nothing on screen to suggest the lady knew William was up there routing through her bedroom. I'm not sure about search warrants - those might be related to Constitutional rights (Habeus Corpus and all that in the U.S.) - but it does seem like some forms of court authority were needed to do some things. I remember Brackenreid asking Meyers for his papers several times. However, I don't think any formal police investigation was ever opened up against Mrs. Hill. That would involve the police coroner, and it would probably require murder charges. William was just investigating to resolve a personal problem, and I think it sucks that he regards that as "detective work" on his part while questioning Julia's motives.  I never liked his tone when he was complaining about Ruby "inserting herself" into his cases, too. |
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Post by snacky on May 22, 2014 1:24:20 GMT
Another thought about the discussion with Mrs. Hill. I haven't been able to figure out why, at this late stage in the game, William was questioning whether to choose love over some sort of "proper" life.
It occurs to me he may be asking that question in regard to Julia. Perhaps he's not 100% confident about her feelings toward him. She's shocked him a number of times. When they broke up in the past, she left him without really giving him a chance to gather a reply. She did choose to marry someone else. Even when they were dating it seemed like some time would go by without William and Julia seeing each other, and William would be pleasantly surprised to run into Julia on the street. When William listened to Brackenreid's speech about not letting a good thing walk out the door, it seemed like he still felt he was at some risk of losing her and had to do something.
So perhaps William is wondering whether Julia has second thoughts about marrying for love, and he wanted some female insight on the matter before he put Julia on the spot again?
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From watching Friday the 13th again, William claims that from the first time he saw Julia, he *always* knew she was the one for him: that underscores the previous breakups were mostly Julia putting words in William's mouth before he could collect himself.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 24, 2014 2:05:50 GMT
I didn't like when he said that because he was engaged to Liza when he first met Julia! I'm probably being too literal with what he/the writers meant but that line annoyed rather than melted my heart.
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Post by snacky on May 24, 2014 3:36:26 GMT
I totally agree: this felt like a continuity error. I'm sure William had determined that Julia was not the one for him after she repelled his attempt to repair their relationship post Shades of Grey (when he invited her to the battery exhibition). It also seems that he's initially resigned to let her go after The Tesla Effect (many months go by after she leaves), and of course after she gets married. Does William really sit in his boarding house room thinking she's The Only One For Him once she's married? By the way, did you see Pentatonix has a new one? youtu.be/F80FsZDTgn0 |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 27, 2014 20:53:55 GMT
Well to me it was obviously done as a way to make William seem more romantic than he actually is. But I wish they didn't feel the need to resort to old cliches in order to do that. Love at first sight is done to death and in this case didn't even make sense! :/ Lol of course I did! I'm only marginally obsessed with them! I guess they're supposed to be futuristic versions of themselves?  Did I get you hooked on them too?  |
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Post by snacky on May 28, 2014 1:44:18 GMT
The sad thing about that is they didn't need to fall back on a cliche: I'm sure there was someway they could have phrased it. While William isn't a man of sappy actions, he does have romantic fantasies. I think it's safe to say he's at least fantasized about Julia from day one. It was lazy writing and disappointing. Regarding Pentatonix, you totally addicted me!!! And I missed a chance to see them live, practically in walking distance, literally 2 days after I connected the dots from your video. T_T What awesome talent:I hope they continue to go in the direction of original music. Again I bow before your good taste. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 3:50:11 GMT
Oh by the way chaps, chappettes. I found Dr. Ogden's missing syringe:  See? It's even got his name on it. Cool! Where did you find that? |
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Post by Lucy on May 28, 2014 16:49:49 GMT
Finally, she said YES!... |
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Post by snacky on May 28, 2014 19:45:40 GMT
Finally, she said YES!... Now it's safe to start comment on wedding dress ideas. |
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I never liked his tone when he was complaining about Ruby "inserting herself" into his cases, too. 
