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Post by carco on Apr 8, 2014 23:02:18 GMT
I don't get why they think they need a hook. The engagement was enough for most fans!! The only reason to add such gratuitous violence (other than for shock value) and ruin the long awaited for engagement is if they are setting up the story arc that sees Brax leave the constabulary. Hence his comment about being too old for this malarkey. Craig might not leave the show till the end of S8 or maybe not at all, but if he doesn't, he's probably not going to be a series regular at some point. :/ And Carco, there are always budget cuts, which is strange considering Harper is such a big fan. You'd think he'd want to throw in more money not less, just take a little out of our health care budget, no biggie.  I hear you! They don't need to hook in us hard core fans in but you have to admit, that crazy fan & publicity frenzy that built up over last summer about William and Julia's "will they or won't they" arc was exhilarating! Bet that gave them those large turn outs at the fan gatherings in Toronto as well as lots of publicity. It probably brought in a lot of new fans by the time S7 rolled out. Last year Downton Abbey shocked people at the end of their season by killing off a major character and so did The Good Wife this year (both actors wanted to leave to do other work) so this summer it may be the 'shock' hook. So the question as you point out, is why him? The Inspector said he was getting too old for the rough stuff but he talked about changing his ways to a more cerebral approach (like Murdoch's) and he seemed happy enough at the end of the day so it's not clear yet how that will transpire. I felt a bit bad for Thomas Craig last summer, he seemed like the odd man out in the fan forum with Yannick, Helene, Jonny, Georgina and Christina Jennings. Pretty much all the fan questions went to the "couples". Fans take Brackenreid for granted but his character is the glue that keeps them all together...would be a big hole if he left. Yeah Harper is a big fan but he sat back and did nothing when CTV cut the show loose a couple of years ago. Actually, maybe he quietly called CBC and told them they had to take them on.....hmmm. |
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Post by carco on Apr 8, 2014 23:20:40 GMT
MM always have to make W/J's happy times complicated. It's part of the show. I expect their wedding will have some kind of drama. And probably the lead up to it. They're sure of what they want so I don't think the writers can realistically halt their relationship again. The ending just allowed for a bit of drama. I honestly don't think Brackenreid is dead. Just badly beaten up. I expect him and all the characters back for S8. Budget cuts will probably just mean less episodes or less stunts. Not less cast. As soon as I heard William say "...it (wedding) will be soon and you're all invited!" I knew that meant trouble but I didn't know if was going to come in the same episode!! I think budget cuts would mean less elaborate sets than S7, maybe less travel. I really hope not less episodes but if the actors are getting more expensive then fewer episodes would cut "talent" costs. Thomas Craig is a British actor and they are not used to signing up for 8 year stints so possibly he wants out....who knows? In the company I work for, it's always staff costs that are looked at when we are over-budget. It will be interesting if MM has a fan forum in Toronto like they had last year, with all the key actors there. If Thomas is there this year is that proof positive the Inspector didn't die? If he's missing is that proof he did die? He was present last year. Where's the cliff-hangar in that scenario? As CosmicCalvacade mentioned maybe he is going to be in fewer episodes next season as in he didn't die but is badly injured and can't get around much. |
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Post by snacky on Apr 8, 2014 23:35:04 GMT
I hear you! They don't need to hook in us hard core fans in but you have to admit, that crazy fan & publicity frenzy that built up over last summer about William and Julia's "will they or won't they" arc was exhilarating! Bet that gave them those large turn outs at the fan gatherings in Toronto as well as lots of publicity. It probably brought in a lot of new fans by the time S7 rolled out. Last year Downton Abbey shocked people at the end of their season by killing off a major character and so did The Good Wife this year (both actors wanted to leave to do other work) so this summer it may be the 'shock' hook. The Good Wife writers used the departure of Will as a way to "shake up" the show: to give Alicia new challenges and a new arc. The Brackenreid move is ingenius - it does 2 things at once: 1) It shakes up the status quo to generate some new arcs even if the Jilliam one is complete. (I hope fans will still meet up and show some enthusiasm, though, or all of TV Writerdom will heave a collective sigh "I told you so..."). My guess is Brackenreid will be significantly disabled (perhaps permanently), which will have all sorts of ramifications for Station House 4. All those constables were just coming around to the Modern Way, but now their minds will probably turn to strong vengeance. 2) It gives fans a strong reason to tune in for the season premiere, perhaps in record-breaking numbers. My guess is CBC really needs it. Hasn't there been some distress and hand-wringing over losing the hockey contract? CBC needs their scripted shows to bring in the advertisers now. |
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Post by murdochic on Apr 8, 2014 23:59:30 GMT
I think Brackenreid will recover enough to take his job back. I don't expect him to have a smaller presence. Not really. To me it just felt like the usual end of season cliffhanger they enjoy leaving us on. But it doesn't mean less of the characters unless the actors are busy. We have no evidence Craig will have a smaller role so I don't think he will.
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Post by snacky on Apr 9, 2014 0:51:33 GMT
I think Brackenreid will recover enough to take his job back. I don't expect him to have a smaller presence. Not really. To me it just felt like the usual end of season cliffhanger they enjoy leaving us on. But it doesn't mean less of the characters unless the actors are busy. We have no evidence Craig will have a smaller role so I don't think he will. I wouldn't want Brackenried to have a smaller role, but he might have a *different* role in order to give William some room for promotion, or at least expanded responsibilities. |
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Post by snacky on Apr 9, 2014 1:09:53 GMT
There's a constable that grumbles "It's about time!" in the background, lol.
Uh oh - Julia was showing Emily the ring. D: I hope it was a completely new one!
*5 minutes of thought*
I see potential for upcoming irony.
Julia's marriage started to fall apart when her political activities undermined Darcy's career ambitions.
Let's say William gets a precarious promotion as a result of Brackenreid needing to step back. He would have more interaction with "politics", and he would be test case for letting Catholics into official positions. But then Julia's suffragette activities undermine that frail advance.
That puts William in a tough spot: he wants to support Julia, but he also wants to change the world on his own behalf. What to do?
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Post by shangas on Apr 9, 2014 1:24:08 GMT
I just finished this episode.
I must say I liked it very much. The ending was a bit of a shock, but it was still very intriguing. I do wonder...
1. Whether the Inspector is alive?
2. If he is, what happens next?
3. If he ain't, what happens next?
Perhaps Murdoch is promoted to Inspector and they hire a new detective?/Promote a new detective? All shall be revealed in SEASON EIGHT! (w00t!)
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Post by snacky on Apr 9, 2014 1:43:28 GMT
Perhaps Murdoch is promoted to Inspector and they hire a new detective?/Promote a new detective? All shall be revealed in SEASON EIGHT! (w00t!) I'm putting my money on "Acting Inspector" with Brackenried still on the premises in an advisory role, perhaps also as a govt. liaison. Or a Senior Inspector/Junior Inspector split. This would not just be a well-earned promotion for William: it would be an advance for Catholics and merit-based promotion as well. That would be a looooooooot of pressure to excel in the job. |
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Post by shangas on Apr 9, 2014 3:04:29 GMT
The question we have to ask: Are they killing off the character of Insp. T. Brakenreid?
If not, then he's obviously returning in the next season. But in what capacity? Fully recovered? Disabled? Fully-returned to duties? Returned to duties with disability (maybe a limp or similar injury)? Will the first episode of Season 8 be the lads at Station 4 tracking down that chap, O'Shea, to arrest him for assault? And the WEDDING!
*rings bells*
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Post by snacky on Apr 9, 2014 3:11:41 GMT
Filming starts in May, so it shouldn't be too hard to spy on whether Thomas Craig is there.
Point of irritation: Mr. William "you-would-have-looked-at-the-letter-if-I-weren't-here-to-provide-moral-discipline" Murdoch snuck into a house and went rifling through a woman's private drawers on mere suspicion! I call hypocrite!
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 9, 2014 3:16:35 GMT
There's a constable that grumbles "It's about time!" in the background, lol. Uh oh - Julia was showing Emily the ring. D: I hope it was a completely new one! *5 minutes of thought* I see potential for upcoming irony. Julia's marriage started to fall apart when her political activities undermined Darcy's career ambitions. Let's say William gets a precarious promotion as a result of Brackenreid needing to step back. He would have more interaction with "politics", and he would be test case for letting Catholics into official positions. But then Julia's suffragette activities undermine that frail advance. That puts William in a tough spot: he wants to support Julia, but he also wants to change the world on his own behalf. What to do? I thought it was a random extra at first too but it was actually Henry who said that. What do you mean completely new one? Why should Murdoch go purchase a new ring? I like your idea there! It's just one of the ways that married life with Julia would be interesting and it's also why I've never understood their hesitancy to have them together. There's plenty of ways to create tension and discord without resorting to semi-immortal serial killers. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 9, 2014 3:22:09 GMT
Filming starts in May, so it shouldn't be too hard to spy on whether Thomas Craig is there. Point of irritation: Mr. William "you-would-have-looked-at-the-letter-if-I-weren't-here-to-provide-moral-discipline" Murdoch snuck into a house and went rifling through a woman's private drawers on mere suspicion! I call hypocrite! Craig is coming back. Not sure in what capacity though. Well he's always been a bit pervy so...;D What I don't get is why that lady KEPT the syringe after the fact! Sure she didn't technically murder him but it still seemed strange to hold on to it. Unless of course she wanted it as a reminder or something. I dunno. |
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Post by snacky on Apr 9, 2014 3:33:58 GMT
I thought it was a random extra at first too but it was actually Henry who said that. What do you mean completely new one? Why should Murdoch go purchase a new ring? I like your idea there! It's just one of the ways that married life with Julia would be interesting and it's also why I've never understood their hesitancy to have them together. There's plenty of ways to create tension and discord without resorting to semi-immortal serial killers. I got it wrong - the comment was "it certainly took long enough". I just rewatched it and couldn't place who said it, but the voice could be Henry's. It sounds like he was about to get out of the car and push it up hill! Regarding the ring: it has so many bad memories attached to it, I think they should start over with a fresh ring. Besides, it might REALLY be cursed. (With the SEMI-IMMORTAL SPIRIT OF GILLIES - bwahahaha) I agree that Gillies escaped one too many times, and the last time made all the constables at Station House 4 look like idiots. However, I didn't mind him as an arch-nemesis. I wouldn't mind if he turned up again if there was a good story to tell. I don't think he should be captured next time, though: it's the repeated prison transport escapes that were getting annoying. Also, next time I'd hope he'd have a serious goal - like a million dollar heist - instead of just messing around with William and Julia. |
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Post by snacky on Apr 9, 2014 3:40:21 GMT
Well he's always been a bit pervy so...;D What I don't get is why that lady KEPT the syringe after the fact! Sure she didn't technically murder him but it still seemed strange to hold on to it. Unless of course she wanted it as a reminder or something. I dunno. lol, I was just thinking that William has quite the interest in derrieres for someone who is horrified of sodomy. And now he's been kissed by a man, too. Methinks his curiosity conflicts with his Catholicism. That is strange about the syringe. Maybe she was just so freaked out about going through with it that she carried it home with her, and threw it in the drawer with her house keys. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Apr 9, 2014 3:51:04 GMT
And who exactly is going to pay for that huh? Unless William can return/exchange a ring he purchased 4 years ago, I don't see how.
Sure it's got bad memories associated with it but it's also a reminder of everything they have managed to overcome. As William so elegantly put it, "Together we are stronger than anyone."
Agree with the escapes. He must have had outside help yet they never seemed to look into that...poor police work all around. He's basically Joker with unlimited funds (or Batman if he went crazy). Going to be forever obsessed with the guy who can best him. So for that reason, I don't want him to come back.
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