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Post by snacky on Jun 4, 2014 5:25:33 GMT
I think that her attractiveness would have not only upset his religious beliefs, but also insulted his intellect...as they say, hindsight is 20/20 and we all think to think that we should have seen behind false facades. William may have even felt a tiny pocket of pity for her, as he as shown towards other "villains" throughout the series. Would William feel guilty or would he feel it is a personal failing - that he *should* have been able to see the evil (with a small e) in her? I agree he also would have felt some pity for her. He's been working on that! XD |
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Post by wildhorseannie on Jun 4, 2014 5:38:40 GMT
I think possibly both, since it most likely would have affected him personally and professionally. To go back to the surrealism/fantasy angle, I just finished "The Murdoch Effect"...now there is some room for magical musings!  |
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Post by snacky on Jun 4, 2014 5:58:57 GMT
I think possibly both, since it most likely would have affected him personally and professionally. To go back to the surrealism/fantasy angle, I just finished "The Murdoch Effect"...now there is some room for magical musings! Too bad The Murdoch Effect wasn't integrated into the show like Curse of the Pharoahs! Of course it also took place in a greenhouse that hadn't been built yet: maybe it was all a dream? I still think Sally Pendrick should have haunted him more - especially since he's seen James Pendrick a few times since. She's still out there, too! She could be cooking up nefarious plans! |
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Post by wildhorseannie on Jun 4, 2014 6:03:03 GMT
Haha, as George said, maybe William was taking some of those drugs if he ended up on a dream like that.
As for Sally, I thought that was very interesting decision on the part of the writers to let her get away. One has to wonder what their implications were. Is she meant to represent all the "ones who got away" in William's romantic life? Or just in his professional life? Is she that one escaped villain who keeps steady lawman like William up at night?
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Post by snacky on Jun 4, 2014 6:19:05 GMT
Haha, as George said, maybe William was taking some of those drugs if he ended up on a dream like that. As for Sally, I thought that was very interesting decision on the part of the writers to let her get away. One has to wonder what their implications were. Is she meant to represent all the "ones who got away" in William's romantic life? Or just in his professional life? Is she that one escaped villain who keeps steady lawman like William up at night? If William had managed to send James Pendrick to the noose, Sally Pendrick would have been a free woman, so he could have been subconsciously laying the groundwork for competition for Julia. But why? Was he bored? Perhaps Julia wasn't getting the proposal she desired because William really wasn't sure he wanted to marry her. I'm thinking Sally Pendrick keeps William up at night, but not because she escaped. He's thinking about a certain landscape painting. |
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Post by ziggy on Jun 5, 2014 11:36:14 GMT
The Sally Pendrick thing fascinates me, especially because she's a villain. Does William feel guilty that he "fell" for her? Is she somewhat a devil in his eyes? Does that mean he's attracted to the devil in some ways? Does that mean engaging, intelligent women have something of the devil in them for women? This is saying something interesting about William's yearnings and his subconscious. On a shallower side, I think he's turned on by the Euro-bohemian avant-garde life, shedding all the constraints that he has been imprisoned by. I didn't know you were watching the videos on youtube. I'll take a look if I need to but I think I get the gist of what's in it, anyway. As for William and Sally Pendrick, don’t over think it snacky. I don’t think it was anything more than human nature - temptation. Sally just needed William on her side to facilitate her “project” knowing how close William had become with her husband and did not want him uncovering anything before she was done. She had to distract him. She didn’t want him for anything else. She knew the way William’s mind works, having lived with one so similar for so long. William is human, awkward in his ways, yes, but he is not shy about getting fresh with women should he get an opportunity. I had a good ol’ chuckle just like Brackenreid – “Sally Pendrick. The whole time”, lol. To see William’s embarrassment that he had been caught lusting over a woman and so taken in and blind-sided by her sultry tones. William so much as explained it in his discussion with James afterwards. I wondered what it would have felt like for him if he took a trip to church for confession for coveting another man’s wife. Knowing William, he would probably find the difference between lusting and coveting which is actually one of the commandments and escape through the keyhole by saying afterall, he never touched the woman, so he didn’t really commit any sin. Haha, William! He was just lucky Sally didn’t want him for anything more, she would have reeled him in and he had no chance there. He would have fallen on the sword straight away. He was really hooked. I don’t think he thought much about Sally after he got over his embarrassment and the relief that he did not hang the wrong Pendrick. Letting her get away was mainly because the Pendricks are very popular with the fans even with the Mrs as a "naughty villain". I believe we will see her again sometime in the future hence they left the door open. They could easily have killed her in that microwave explosion. Since the Pendricks are not main characters, you can’t really keep them hanging around for 2-3 seasons just for one episode. She probably will come back but not as William’s torment but perhaps go to her husband for money to help her regroup and hide from the constab. He won’t hand her over because he loves his wife even though he doesn’t want her anymore and they can’t really live openly together as a couple like before with the constab on the lookout for her. |
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Post by ziggy on Jun 5, 2014 12:20:04 GMT
If William had managed to send James Pendrick to the noose, Sally Pendrick would have been a free woman, so he could have been subconsciously laying the groundwork for competition for Julia. But why? Was he bored? Perhaps Julia wasn't getting the proposal she desired because William really wasn't sure he wanted to marry her. I'm thinking Sally Pendrick keeps William up at night, but not because she escaped. He's thinking about a certain landscape painting. I don’t think so. If her husband got the noose, she would only have allowed William a couple of “visits” as a thank you for setting her free and then she’ll be gone. The woman is a very experienced, calculating con artist and into big business. As for William, Julia may not have been getting the proposal she desired but it wasn’t because of Sally. He will not choose Sally over Julia if he had a choice. William's issue with Julia is a different thing altogether and I think that is yet to be addressed. What he felt for Sally was just the male “heat of the moment” thing. Pure lust. It had nothing to do with love. If he actually got that far with her he would eventually have moved on after 2 or 3 visits. I can assure you that when he looked at that painting, he was not thinking of Sally. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 5, 2014 16:37:35 GMT
As for William and Sally Pendrick, don’t over think it snacky. lusting the relief that he did not hang the wrong Pendrick. She probably will come back but not as William’s torment but perhaps go to her husband for money to help her regroup and hide from the constab. He won’t hand her over because he loves his wife even though he doesn’t want her anymore and they can’t really live openly together as a couple like before with the constab on the lookout for her. Overthinking is the best part!  "Lust" is a great word: I wonder if that's how William thinks of Sally Pendrick, particularly when admiring her "landscape": "I love Julia, but I'm indulging in a little secret lust for Sally Pendrick, which I will do penance for at confession later." I've also often wondered if William thinks about how close he came to convicting an innocent man, and destroying his fortune - an admirable man who could have accomplished so many things with that fortune, and like William in many ways. And plus he did kind of flirt with his wife, even if he was worried for her safety. James Pendrick is also owed some credit for limiting his grievance here to a few sarcastic words. William definitely owes him one or three. I love your idea about Sally managing to pull the wool over James Pendrick's eyes one more time: but will she pull off one more grand scheme or will she be trying to rehabilitate herself (yet unable to escape the clutches of her past dealings). |
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Post by snacky on Jun 5, 2014 16:42:19 GMT
Pure lust. I can assure you that when he looked at that painting, he was not thinking of Sally. That's a very interesting way of putting it. Puts a new spin on "women as sex object" for me. Do men actually take the particular woman completely out of the picture sometimes? |
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Post by ziggy on Jun 6, 2014 13:43:19 GMT
Overthinking is the best part! I've also often wondered if William thinks about how close he came to convicting an innocent man I love your idea about Sally managing to pull the wool over James Pendrick's eyes one more time: but will she pull off one more grand scheme or will she be trying to rehabilitate herself (yet unable to escape the clutches of her past dealings). Of course, it is. William probably thinks about how close he came to “killing” Pendrick. It’s part of his job and it comes with the territory. That’s why he is always so sensitive and careful about his cases. But this would have bothered him a bit more because he actually knows the guy. However, it is that same connection with Pendrick that would have helped him cope with his guilt and thoughts on the very near miss situation (I mean, the guy was only a few days from the noose and the number of times Brackenreid told William to lay off would have been ringing in his ears). Pendrick’s handling of it all pulled William through without leaving scars. It is something that could have affected William for a very long time. Sally will not be looking to pull the wool over her husband’s eyes. This time James already knows all about her and he knows she is in a lot of trouble. She doesn’t need to hide her actions anymore. She is most likely going to go directly to him and get straight to the point and ask him for the money she needs and his help to get away. He will help her to some extent and perhaps have a chance to discuss what went wrong with their marriage, something they never really got into before going their separate ways. It’s not easy turning your back on someone you’ve cared for and been that close to for so long. |
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Post by ziggy on Jun 6, 2014 13:45:47 GMT
Pure lust. I can assure you that when he looked at that painting, he was not thinking of Sally. That's a very interesting way of putting it. Puts a new spin on "women as sex object" for me. Do men actually take the particular woman completely out of the picture sometimes? Oh yes, they do. You don’t have to dig deep for that. Just look at the stolen Rembrandt painting that brought this on. Everyone drooled over it but no one there actually knew the model in person. Yet they all had “thoughts” go through their minds when they looked at it. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 6, 2014 16:52:00 GMT
Pendrick’s handling of it all pulled William through without leaving scars. It is something that could have affected William for a very long time. He will help her to some extent and perhaps have a chance to discuss what went wrong with their marriage, something they never really got into before going their separate ways. It’s not easy turning your back on someone you’ve cared for and been that close to for so long. Though the movie business was kind of a lark, I liked Pendrick as an architect. I'd like to see him make all his money back (hopefully not as a suspected bootlegger). It would be cool to see him working together with William in the future. The "misunderstanding" cycle has been played out now. We all know Pendrick isn't a murderer. Now he's a flamboyant character who shares some of William's fascination with the technology of the future, and he has the means and the zest to make it happen. Regarding Sally: perhaps she'd be less inclined to a life of crime if he gave her some active role in his company. I don't think the passive life of a wealthy art patroness was for her. XD Also of note: Sally understood more about and was more interested in modern technology than her husband thought she did. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 6, 2014 17:01:03 GMT
That's a very interesting way of putting it. Puts a new spin on "women as sex object" for me. Do men actually take the particular woman completely out of the picture sometimes? Oh yes, they do. You don’t have to dig deep for that. Just look at the stolen Rembrandt painting that brought this on. Everyone drooled over it but no one there actually knew the model in person. Yet they all had “thoughts” go through their minds when they looked at it. Of course, but weren't they ogling a particular woman instead of being inflamed by lust in some abstract sort of way? I thought that's what you were saying about William and Sally Pendrick: that he wasn't so much attracted to Sally Pendrick as a rival to Julia as experiencing (the sin of) lust in her presence, and not quite knowing what to make of that himself since he also respected her intellectually. Perhaps he was sublimating that into being extra careful to treat Mrs. Pendrick like a gentlewoman? |
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Post by wildhorseannie on Jun 6, 2014 18:36:44 GMT
Not to break off the Sally topic, but I just finished "Stroll on the Wild Side," so my mind is on Anna mode right now. The chemistry between Anna and William always amazes me! It's like Yannick and Lisa are best friends off-screen and it carries over to their on-screen personalities. Despite the best efforts of the writers to craft a "Jilliam" arc, magic happens every time Anna and William are together. I am such a shipper of these two! |
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Post by snacky on Jun 7, 2014 3:48:50 GMT
Not to break off the Sally topic, but I just finished "Stroll on the Wild Side," so my mind is on Anna mode right now. The chemistry between Anna and William always amazes me! They definitely have chemistry. In fact, "chemistry" seems to be one of Yannick's specialties: I think he can pull it off with all kinds of women. Actually, thats part of a theory I'm developing about how Yannick maintains which team his character bats for, no matter what options are available. I never slash pair him, despite the fact he's pretty (*really* pretty when he was younger), though I have no qualms about pulling out the gay glasses if I like that pairing better. Here's my theory. Yannick married young. Therefore, when he came on set, he was already taken. His situation was never ambiguous, so he didn't have to carefully maintain boundaries to prevent women from throwing themselves out them, etc. That left him him more free to project chemistry in his acting. So he could definitively establish his "orientation" from day one on any set. Guys who were trying to maintain boundaries with other women would project ambiguity/coldness, and the audience would then start trying to pair them with their best buddy. Also, since he lives in a house full of women, Yannick probably gets nothing but tips on how to please them all day long. He almost compulsively says the right thing about women in interviews, as far as I can tell. So, Yannick can probably do chemistry at the drop of a dime. The complication with Julia, however, is that both Yannick and Helene are playing repressed, proper professional characters. William and Julia have had to do a dance around each other that William does not have to do around Anna. He has a lot of fun with Anna and a lot of love for her. But he's developed a relationship with Julia over years, and her promises are to her. So I still have to root for Jilliam. |
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