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Post by wildhorseannie on Jun 7, 2014 4:39:47 GMT
I definitely understand the whole "repressed Victorian" thing that William and Julia have going on, but the contrast between those two and William/Anna is almost startling. I would expect to see a little more natural connection between William and Julia by this point in the series, and although they are comfortable with each other, the lack of chemistry is starkly noted every time Anna comes back on to the scene. IMO.
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Post by snacky on Jun 7, 2014 5:12:30 GMT
I definitely understand the whole "repressed Victorian" thing that William and Julia have going on, but the contrast between those two and William/Anna is almost startling. I would expect to see a little more natural connection between William and Julia by this point in the series, and although they are comfortable with each other, the lack of chemistry is starkly noted every time Anna comes back on to the scene. IMO. Now that Julia is married, she needs to put up a wall for propriety's sake. Later when she's a free woman she will start taking it down and show a little ankle.  |
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Post by wildhorseannie on Jun 7, 2014 5:19:27 GMT
Even before she was married, I feel like that intimacy was never there. Oh well...Anna rant over, lol.
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Post by snacky on Jun 7, 2014 5:38:58 GMT
Even before she was married, I feel like that intimacy was never there. Oh well...Anna rant over, lol. I think it would have been if William had been willing to indulge in some absinthe a little more often.  But I suppose he has to be careful because of his father. (Oh, btw, I was reading about the historical William Murdoch today who invented a lot of gas lamp related stuff a century earlier - I wonder if William is supposed to be a descendent? That would explain some of his skills.) Anyway Bloodlust showed Julia clearly wanted William to launch himself at her a little more often, so I think the onus was on his side. Anna got the benefit of William with his Propriety-Pants down. Ps. Wow, can't find any William/Anna fanvids for you.  |
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Post by ziggy on Jun 8, 2014 0:35:58 GMT
Though the movie business was kind of a lark, I liked Pendrick as an architect. Now he's a flamboyant character who shares some of William's fascination with the technology of the future, and he has the means and the zest to make it happen. Regarding Sally: perhaps she'd be less inclined to a life of crime if he gave her some active role in his company. I don't think the passive life of a wealthy art patroness was for her. XD I like him better too as an architect. That movie one was not suitable and the script was poorly written. The next time they bring him back they need to get a writer who really understands the Pendrick character and can write a great script for him. He’ll be great in almost any type of invention if the script is well written. You are right about Sally taking more active role in his company but that will depend on what William does if he finds her. Most likely William will pull some strings to get her a jail sentence as opposed to the noose (just like Mrs Chadwick) and that way she can be back with her husband openly after. The way things are at the moment, she can’t live openly with her husband. |
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Post by ziggy on Jun 8, 2014 0:42:55 GMT
Of course, but weren't they ogling a particular woman instead of being inflamed by lust in some abstract sort of way? They were not thinking of that particular woman. They were thinking of all the things they could do with a woman. Even those that had wives were not thinking of “pleasurable moments” they could have with their wives. Women would look at this same painting and would have same thoughts go through their minds and they were not thinking of their men. However, as a wife, you might want your man to see the painting on the condition that you are the one in the room when the “thoughts” transition to “action”. The "experience" could be worth a lifetime. William never saw Sally as a rival to Julia. He would never have had a long-term relationship with Sally even if Julia was not available to him. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 8, 2014 0:58:09 GMT
the script was poorly written. Most likely William will pull some strings to get her a jail sentence as opposed to the noose (just like Mrs Chadwick) and that way she can be back with her husband openly after. I do see what they were trying to do with the script, though: bring in Edison and his Patent Trolling ways. I hope to see more of him! I'm glad you brought up that Sally is on the hook for multiple murders. I don't think William would "pull some strings". When he let Ava Moon out of jail to correct his own mistake, it cost him Julia and practically cost him his soul. And he still initially wanted to bring Ava in to face sentencing. The only way Sally could get out of this is if she offered some sort of "deal" to the government. Sort of like when a mobster rats out The Family, and then has to go into Witness Protection because everyone wants to kill him. The government would hate protecting Sally, but they would do it if she turned State's evidence, and brought them some super-weapons in the process. William would be grinding his teeth over the matter the whooooooooooole time. |
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Post by ziggy on Jun 8, 2014 0:58:50 GMT
Not to break off the Sally topic, but I just finished "Stroll on the Wild Side," so my mind is on Anna mode right now. The chemistry between Anna and William always amazes me! It's like Yannick and Lisa are best friends off-screen and it carries over to their on-screen personalities. Despite the best efforts of the writers to craft a "Jilliam" arc, magic happens every time Anna and William are together. I am such a shipper of these two! Yay! Thank you Annie. I tried soooooo hard to wait for you to get to this point in your catching up because I didn’t want you going in with a bias. Now that the Jilliam shippers have secured an engagement, they are now pressing for chemistry like the one William has with Anna. Obviously they too know that the Jilliam relationship seriously lacks vital components of a romantic union. The writers have tried to do that for them without ruining the hidden plot but I have faith that the writers know what they are doing with the Jilliam thing and I believe the surprise is in the future. William was deliberately written to be like that with Anna for a reason that I think will unfold with time. The William/Anna relationship makes it obvious that William knows his way with women, so it’s not expressing himself that is the problem. It’s who he is with and what he feels. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 8, 2014 1:02:19 GMT
They were not thinking of that particular woman. They were thinking of all the things they could do with a woman. Even those that had wives were not thinking of “pleasurable moments” they could have with their wives. Women would look at this same painting and would have same thoughts go through their minds and they were not thinking of their men. However, as a wife, you might want your man to see the painting on the condition that you are the one in the room when the “thoughts” transition to “action”. The "experience" could be worth a lifetime. William never saw Sally as a rival to Julia. He would never have had a long-term relationship with Sally even if Julia was not available to him. lol, thanks for clarifying how that works. It explains the whole genre of 18th century "boudoir painting" en passant. XD I'm still wondering at what point did William distinguish between "this is me appreciating uppercrust bohemia" and "this is me indulging in the sin of lust", though. I can't imagine with Sally putting up with William for a week, nevermind how William feels about her. XD |
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Post by snacky on Jun 8, 2014 1:16:50 GMT
Au contraire, things gradually heated up in Season 7 once Julia had recovered from Darcy's death and all the bashing she got for being a whore and merry widow. And even that took an effort of will, given the uncertainty of what happened to Gillies. By the Ragtime episode, things were getting so hot and heavy that you could practically see Something Bad About to Happen stalking around the corner. It was almost getting boring. In fact it was almost getting boring for William and Julia - at some point there was a conversation between Julia and Emily(?) about whether the thrill is gone once you've been dating for so many years. Frankly, I just see William and Julia getting more comfortable with each other and shedding some of that generational Victorian propriety and careful professional respect that always came between them. I think their wedding night is going to be awesome, because (if the virgin theory is correct) they've both been holding a lot back, but they are also relaxed and less awkward with each other now. And I don't think the thrill is gone. I think William is going to melt and Julia is going to bubble every time they are in the same room for years to come. |
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Post by ziggy on Jun 8, 2014 1:19:17 GMT
I do see what they were trying to do with the script, though: bring in Edison and his Patent Trolling ways. I hope to see more of him! The only way Sally could get out of this is if she offered some sort of "deal" to the government. The government would hate protecting Sally, but they would do it if she turned State's evidence, and brought them some super-weapons in the process. William would be grinding his teeth over the matter the whooooooooooole time. I understand what they were trying to do. They still could have done better with the script and the Pendrick character. I don’t mean he will “pull some strings” by turning a blind eye or breaking the law. I'm sure he learnt a lot of lessons from the Ava Moon incident. It will all be legally done of course, most likely with the option you just raised. It's a very good option. It will have to be some sort of a deal that William and Brackenreid could negotiate for James’ sake not because of Sally. And yes, William will grind his teeth all the way through but I am sure he will want to do James a good turn and help him save his wife from the noose even though she was not exactly keen to do same for him. It's called "love" and which one of the pair is feeling it! |
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Post by snacky on Jun 8, 2014 1:35:12 GMT
It will have to be some sort of a deal that William and Brackenreid could negotiate for James’ sake not because of Sally. And yes, William will grind his teeth all the way through but I am sure he will want to do James a good turn and help him save his wife from the noose even though she was not exactly keen to do same for him. My theory is that the Government or someone like Meyers will negotiate the deal - or, Heaven forfend, it will be a joint Canadian-American operation and Clegg will be running it, and both Brackenreid and William will feel like pawns in the whole thing. William will be glad for the opportunity to do James a good turn, and perhaps he will start to have some understanding for Sally...until he is reminded of all the murders, and then he will knock his head against the wall over his gullibility. XD |
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Post by ziggy on Jun 8, 2014 1:38:08 GMT
lol, thanks for clarifying how that works. It explains the whole genre of 18th century "boudoir painting" en passant. XD I'm still wondering at what point did William distinguish between "this is me appreciating uppercrust bohemia" and "this is me indulging in the sin of lust", though. I can't imagine with Sally putting up with William for a week, nevermind how William feels about her. XD Haha! Interesting, isn't it? Probably when it came to time for confession! I told you so. Even if they had crossed the bridge, they would have gone their separate ways right afterwards. |
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Post by ziggy on Jun 8, 2014 1:48:12 GMT
Not to break off the Sally topic, but I just finished "Stroll on the Wild Side," so my mind is on Anna mode right now. The chemistry between Anna and William always amazes me! So, Yannick can probably do chemistry at the drop of a dime. The complication with Julia, however, is that both Yannick and Helene are playing repressed, proper professional characters. William and Julia have had to do a dance around each other that William does not have to do around Anna. He has a lot of fun with Anna and a lot of love for her. But he's developed a relationship with Julia over years, and her promises are to her. So I still have to root for Jilliam. William and Julia are exactly what the writers want them to be and I really do hope they do not ruin the characters by changing them to fit with what the shippers want because that means they will have to break the characters or at least one of them. If William is repressed with Julia, why is he not so with Anna? They all lived in the same era. Natural love is something that cannot be forced or developed over time. Ruby actually said something to that effect to him in the Kissing Bandit. William has no control over the love he feels for Anna. He tries to hide his love but it shows. He’s never been able to get to that level with Julia even after all these years. He is intellectually in tune with Julia but that’s just about it. The emotional side of things looks forced and awkward, a bit like some people see George/Emily pairing. |
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Post by ziggy on Jun 8, 2014 2:13:59 GMT
I think it would have been if William had been willing to indulge in some absinthe a little more often. Ps. Wow, can't find any William/Anna fanvids for you. That’s exactly the point. William does not need “little green fairies” to muddle his mind to connect romantically with Anna. He doesn’t need to be forced or dragged there kicking and screaming. It comes most naturally to him. He is clear headed and in control of his senses. So it seems (about the William/Anna fanvids). I think there are some of Julia/Darcy though. Can I twist your arm to do some for us please? Thank you in advance. |
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