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Post by snacky on Sept 4, 2014 18:20:14 GMT
"World's slowest car chase"? I hope nothing happens to the bromobile! I'm not kidding, it may just be my new favorite character. Well, maybe not my favorite...  I hope you're right about George becoming a junior detective under William-agreed William is politically unsuited for inspector. I like that possibility better than outright promotions. Also, why is there only one detective? I mean, William has to go home sometime. I think there should be multiple detectives. Also, speaking of a chronically undermanned police dept., why didn't the boys have more "force" or even extra bodies when they went to shake down the waterfront? Even if #4 didn't have enough men, another precinct couldn't help out? Or is #4 solely responsible for all of Toronto now? Didn't the Bromobile have something like the Scooby van going on there? No way would MM wreck that!  Is it just my imagination or is William literally taking charge more. At the Docks, he seemed to be there to kick ass, take names, and chew bubblegum, and he forgot his bubblegum. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 4, 2014 18:38:58 GMT
"World's slowest car chase"? I hope nothing happens to the bromobile! I'm not kidding, it may just be my new favorite character. Well, maybe not my favorite... I hope you're right about George becoming a junior detective under William-agreed William is politically unsuited for inspector. I like that possibility better than outright promotions. Also, why is there only one detective? I mean, William has to go home sometime. I think there should be multiple detectives. Also, speaking of a chronically undermanned police dept., why didn't the boys have more "force" or even extra bodies when they went to shake down the waterfront? Even if #4 didn't have enough men, another precinct couldn't help out? Or is #4 solely responsible for all of Toronto now? Didn't the Bromobile have something like the Scooby van going on there? No way would MM wreck that! Is it just my imagination or is William literally taking charge more. At the Docks, he seemed to be there to kick ass, take names, and chew bubblegum, and he forgot his bubblegum. I certainly hope the bromobile attains Mystery Machine stature, that would be awesome! As for takecharge!William, someone had to. I don't think Slorach was going to take charge, and this time, it was personal. He had a few scores to settle, and who better to settle them than William. I want to see more of this William. In fact, I bet Julia does too. This is the same William who pushes her up against walls and has his way with her. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 4, 2014 18:44:40 GMT
This is the same William who pushes her up against walls and has his way with her.It's nice to see she wasn't just imagining it. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 4, 2014 18:49:17 GMT
This is the same William who pushes her up against walls and has his way with her.It's nice to see she wasn't just imagining it. Oh she knows it's there-why do you think she baits him so hard? She wants to see that side of him more often.Also, can I add that the juxtaposition of the two conflicts was just beautiful. Was this what the "diamonds out of dimes" comment alluded to? |
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Post by snacky on Sept 4, 2014 19:20:20 GMT
It's nice to see she wasn't just imagining it. Oh she knows it's there-why do you think she baits him so hard? She wants to see that side of him more often.Also, can I add that the juxtaposition of the two conflicts was just beautiful. Was this what the "diamonds out of dimes" comment alluded to? I need to go back and watch for the "diamonds out of dimes". Couldn't that be another Secretariat remark - i.e., CBC didn't provide the funding for what MM delivered? I loved how your fic played on that baiting, btw. And I loved how William had a conceptual breakthrough about it! Oops, wrong thread. Anyway, maybe all Julia's baiting is building up William's T levels to the point where he's taking more charge in Station House 4! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 4, 2014 19:34:54 GMT
Oh she knows it's there-why do you think she baits him so hard? She wants to see that side of him more often.Also, can I add that the juxtaposition of the two conflicts was just beautiful. Was this what the "diamonds out of dimes" comment alluded to? I need to go back and watch for the "diamonds out of dimes". Couldn't that be another Secretariat remark - i.e., CBC didn't provide the funding for what MM delivered? I loved how your fic played on that baiting, btw. And I loved how William had a conceptual breakthrough about it! Oops, wrong thread. Anyway, maybe all Julia's baiting is building up William's T levels to the point where he's taking more charge in Station House 4! See, I think that the two conflicts do happen in the same episode, and the editing to juxtapose them is just gorgeous, IMO. William and Julia are both in trouble and can't rescue one another. The angst!  Let's hope we see more asskicking!William this season-but not too much. I still want squishy!William too. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 4, 2014 20:29:47 GMT
Let's hope we see more asskicking!William this season-but not too much. I still want squishy!William too. I'm down with that angst! I just don't think we're going to get it with the Dock/Suffragettes - I think that was just a well-crafted promo. William looked pretty squishy when asking Julia to be careful at the protest (and I'm sure he's going to get very squishy considering the way she was arrested). On the other hand he was pretty bold to keep on talking to her when Slorach made the pointed remark about "company time". He didn't even bother to ask what his new boss wanted! I wonder if William ends up taking charge precisely because Slorach isn't doing anything. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 4, 2014 20:51:18 GMT
Let's hope we see more asskicking!William this season-but not too much. I still want squishy!William too. I'm down with that angst! I just don't think we're going to get it with the Dock/Suffragettes - I think that was just a well-crafted promo. William looked pretty squishy when asking Julia to be careful at the protest (and I'm sure he's going to get very squishy considering the way she was arrested). On the other hand he was pretty bold to keep on talking to her when Slorach made the pointed remark about "company time". He didn't even bother to ask what his new boss wanted! I wonder if William ends up taking charge precisely because Slorach isn't doing anything. But aren't the first two episodes an explosive two parter? You're right about William not seeming at all nervous about Slorach barging in-I hadn't caught that. Maybe it's not his new boss, but just his temporary one? And, I bet that's exactly why William has to take charge-Slorach was too busy stealing food from crime scenes. Yuck!  |
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Post by snacky on Sept 4, 2014 21:02:36 GMT
But aren't the first two episodes an explosive two parter? You're right about William not seeming at all nervous about Slorach barging in-I hadn't caught that. Maybe it's not his new boss, but just his temporary one? And, I bet that's exactly why William has to take charge-Slorach was too busy stealing food from crime scenes. Yuck! Yes, I think it's a 2-parter. Though, the sequence has me confused because I thought William's "memories" thing was also supposed to be a 2-parter. I'm sure Slorach is temporary. LOL about Slorach stealing food instead working. Yep, that's why William has to take charge! And Julia already charged up his T levels to do the job! |
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Post by murdochic on Sept 4, 2014 21:58:58 GMT
Sadly I don't think George/Emily are a thing of the past. I think they're just in a delay like W/J were in S4/S5. Edna will probably be the Darcy of George/Emily. George definitely has more chemistry with Edna. I always thought so. The show made a mistake just dropping her and George's potential romance. I'm still not supportive of George possibly being a full-time detective. It doesn't really work for me. I don't think Emily will be bi. The stand-in Inspector should be hilarious. The clips had some really funny parts. W/J are as adorable as always. Julia is used to being arrested by now. Emily should get used to it as well because she is similar to Julia. I love how modern and feminist they are. Good to see Higgins around quite a bit. I'm still hoping he gets a romance. Looks like we'll be seeing more of Mrs Brackenreid and Jackson this season. I wonder at what point in S8 Brackenreid comes back as Inspector. I noticed some slight changes to the constables uniform. You can now see the white shirts they wear underneath. I hope you're wrong (sorry!  ) about George/Emily-I want to see George with someone else. Yes, the show made a mistake dropping her, but maybe now they're fixing it by bringing her back? You know, now that they've both mellowed out with experience and age, they're even better now? I do agree with you about George not being the detective type, but are we possibly comparing him too much with William? I mean, look at Slorach, he pales in comparison to William as well. No one is going to look good compared to William, and maybe we judge George's potential detective skills too harshly. I don't know-it's just a thought. Regarding Higgins, I totally want to see him with a strong woman, and him happily whipped. Is that wrong? I don't know that Brax does make it back as the inspector, but I hope for a speedy return nonetheless! I didn't notice the uniform changes! *goes back to rewatch* I can't see them having George be with someone outside the cast long term. They already do that with Brackenreid. Emily was obviously brought on the show to be the one George would end up with. I just don't think they'll have dropped that. Now that W/J are committed to each other MM will still want a will-they-won't-they romance and that's why I reckon they'll have George/Emily only in a delaying period during S8. Both dating others. Trust me when I say I hope I'm wrong. I am anti-George/Emily and I have been from S5 as I don't think they suit but the show has been pushing it through 3 seasons and I don't think they'll stop now. I wish they would keep Edna around long term for George. I liked her in the beginning of S1. I always wondered why she disappeared. Emily will probably date some socially unacceptable man. Maybe a non-white guy. That would be a surprising relationship for the time. MM had George/Emily having similarities to W/J all along. The whole policeman/coroner thing was a blatant rip-off from W/J. The class differences is another thing. The reason I don't feel George would be a good detective isn't because I'm comparing him to Murdoch. It's because we've seen George as an acting detective and we've seen how easily lead into crazy theories he can be. I love him to death, but sensible he isn't. Plus, Station 4 and the show doesn't really need two detectives. I'd just like to see Higgins with a girlfriend and being happy. I don't mind what's she's like lol. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 4, 2014 22:20:22 GMT
I hope you're right about George becoming a junior detective under William-agreed William is politically unsuited for inspector. I like that possibility better than outright promotions. Also, why is there only one detective? I mean, William has to go home sometime. I think there should be multiple detectives. Also, speaking of a chronically undermanned police dept., why didn't the boys have more "force" or even extra bodies when they went to shake down the waterfront? Even if #4 didn't have enough men, another precinct couldn't help out? Or is #4 solely responsible for all of Toronto now? Or, is this just proof of cutbacks at CBC? Seriously though, this is bothering me. I don't think William is politically unsuited for inspector, other than him being Catholic, in fact he's shown himself to be very shrewd when politics comes up. I don't think he'd like the administrative side very much but he does seem to be good with constables re the HR side. I also don't think he'd be happy as he wouldn't have the time to solve puzzles cases, it's what he does best. They only had one detective at each station house, most of the work was done by the constables and you have to remember there were nowhere near the number of murders that there are on MM, certainly doesn't look like 'Toronto the Good' with all the dispatching going on. The detectives work would mainly consist of burglaries and assaults etc. Not sure if station house 4 would cover the dock area, I'd have to look at a map. The area it covers is mentioned in one of the books. The waterfront was different back then too, the lake was much closer, there's been a lot of landfill since Victorian times so looking at a present day map gives a totally different perspective. Maybe as it was station 4's inspector that was injured they were given the 'privilege' of going after the O'Shea brothers in retribution. They must have a lot of constables though as I noticed the cops at the suffragette rally which appeared to be happening at the same time, presumably at Queens Park or city hall, were from 4 too. Now they certainly shouldn't have been covering either of those beats! |
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Post by snacky on Sept 5, 2014 3:56:06 GMT
I can't see them having George be with someone outside the cast long term. They already do that with Brackenreid. Emily was obviously brought on the show to be the one George would end up with. I just don't think they'll have dropped that. Now that W/J are committed to each other MM will still want a will-they-won't-they romance and that's why I reckon they'll have George/Emily only in a delaying period during S8. Both dating others. Trust me when I say I hope I'm wrong. I am anti-George/Emily and I have been from S5 as I don't think they suit but the show has been pushing it through 3 seasons and I don't think they'll stop now. I wish they would keep Edna around long term for George. I liked her in the beginning of S1. I always wondered why she disappeared. Emily will probably date some socially unacceptable man. Maybe a non-white guy. That would be a surprising relationship for the time. MM had George/Emily having similarities to W/J all along. The whole policeman/coroner thing was a blatant rip-off from W/J. The class differences is another thing. The reason I don't feel George would be a good detective isn't because I'm comparing him to Murdoch. It's because we've seen George as an acting detective and we've seen how easily lead into crazy theories he can be. I love him to death, but sensible he isn't. Plus, Station 4 and the show doesn't really need two detectives. I think you have a strong argument with the cost of adding another regular to the cast, and I've been arguing myself that the end of the "unresolved sexual tension" between Willia and Julia is going to be a problem for the show. Helene tried to deny it on the panel. (She feels audiences have "matured" and can accept "mature relationships"). Hmm. I think that's wishful thinking - MM has a real problem on it's hands here. I agree with you that Gemily was a ham-handed W/J rip off, and adding a "Darcy" rip off to that would just make it worse. I think the MM writers will just have to accept that there isn't an easy out to this problem when a show revolves around one central character, and they need to get more creative than Gemily. IMHO, Gemily already failed. We will see what happens. btw, I think Edna is kind of boring. But she's more date-able than Grace. Tess for the wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin!  I vote George can surprise us with a serious and effective side under all his "crazy" theories and antics with Higgins - let's see what happens when he gets a chance to grow! What's wrong with 2 detectives? It might make the show better! |
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Post by snacky on Sept 5, 2014 4:03:00 GMT
. I also don't think he'd be happy as he wouldn't have the time to solve puzzles cases, it's what he does best. They only had one detective at each station house, most of the work was done by the constables and you have to remember there were nowhere near the number of murders that there are on MM Not sure if station house 4 would cover the dock area, William has been sucking up to the Mayor, though, so it seems like he has been looking for some sort of promotion, if not Inspector. I agree he would want to keep on solving puzzles cases. I read in Wikipedia that most of the detective work was actually outsourced to Pinkertons. That one Detective may have been there only for administrative purposes! But this is MM playing fast and loose with history. William was there implementing fingermarks years before the Toronto police service actually was. Why not let them juggle around a bit with the jurisdictions? They already implied the docks were in their jurisdiction last Season during Murdoch in Ragtime. |
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Post by chrysophylax on Sept 5, 2014 9:45:08 GMT
Thanks for posting this snacky, I enjoyed watching it. Was that Mrs Brackenreid wearing black and looking mournful (I'm watching on my phone so it's pretty small)? Thomas Craig has been seen on set though so they're just trolling right?
I think George as acting detective compares pretty favourably to some of the others. The detective in The Hangman springs to mind. Even Slorach was a bit bumbling and he's made Inspector. I'm not sure about making him a full time detective yet though.
When did police departments start having a division between detective ranks and uniformed police officers? The met CID was set up in 1878 but I'm not sure on the history of having Police Constables and Detective Constables.
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Post by murdochic on Sept 5, 2014 10:19:27 GMT
I can't see them having George be with someone outside the cast long term. They already do that with Brackenreid. Emily was obviously brought on the show to be the one George would end up with. I just don't think they'll have dropped that. Now that W/J are committed to each other MM will still want a will-they-won't-they romance and that's why I reckon they'll have George/Emily only in a delaying period during S8. Both dating others. Trust me when I say I hope I'm wrong. I am anti-George/Emily and I have been from S5 as I don't think they suit but the show has been pushing it through 3 seasons and I don't think they'll stop now. I wish they would keep Edna around long term for George. I liked her in the beginning of S1. I always wondered why she disappeared. Emily will probably date some socially unacceptable man. Maybe a non-white guy. That would be a surprising relationship for the time. MM had George/Emily having similarities to W/J all along. The whole policeman/coroner thing was a blatant rip-off from W/J. The class differences is another thing. The reason I don't feel George would be a good detective isn't because I'm comparing him to Murdoch. It's because we've seen George as an acting detective and we've seen how easily lead into crazy theories he can be. I love him to death, but sensible he isn't. Plus, Station 4 and the show doesn't really need two detectives. I think you have a strong argument with the cost of adding another regular to the cast, and I've been arguing myself that the end of the "unresolved sexual tension" between Willia and Julia is going to be a problem for the show. Helene tried to deny it on the panel. (She feels audiences have "matured" and can accept "mature relationships"). Hmm. I think that's wishful thinking - MM has a real problem on it's hands here. I agree with you that Gemily was a ham-handed W/J rip off, and adding a "Darcy" rip off to that would just make it worse. I think the MM writers will just have to accept that there isn't an easy out to this problem when a show revolves around one central character, and they need to get more creative than Gemily. IMHO, Gemily already failed. We will see what happens. btw, I think Edna is kind of boring. But she's more date-able than Grace. Tess for the wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin! I vote George can surprise us with a serious and effective side under all his "crazy" theories and antics with Higgins - let's see what happens when he gets a chance to grow! What's wrong with 2 detectives? It might make the show better! The show doesn't have a problem. W/J were a committed couple in S3, S6, and in parts of S7 and it worked fine. I was no less interested in the show or in their romance. I actually like seeing them be a loving couple. It was getting ridiculous how many crowbars the writers were throwing into their relationship. If the writers must have melodrama in a romance then let George/Emily have that now. It means MM can mature with W/J while keeping the melodrama. MM haven't really ever been creative when it comes to George/Emily, so I don't see why they'd start now lol. I didn't think Edna was boring, she was quite militant in the past. Ruby is the other one George had the most chemistry with IMO. But I doubt she'll ever be an option. I don't think the show is going to have two detectives. There just isn't the need for it. They already have Brackenreid helping out in big cases, George/Higgins/Jackson doing the grunt work, Julia doing any profiling work, and Emily doing the pathology side. That added to William being the detective covers everything in a case. Two detectives would be overkill. They can't have two separate cases each episode just to give George something to do. Remember that George was only made acting detective because William wasn't around. George would have to transfer to another station house if he was a full-time detective. |
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