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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 5, 2014 17:16:46 GMT
I hope you're wrong (sorry!  ) about George/Emily-I want to see George with someone else. Yes, the show made a mistake dropping her, but maybe now they're fixing it by bringing her back? You know, now that they've both mellowed out with experience and age, they're even better now? I do agree with you about George not being the detective type, but are we possibly comparing him too much with William? I mean, look at Slorach, he pales in comparison to William as well. No one is going to look good compared to William, and maybe we judge George's potential detective skills too harshly. I don't know-it's just a thought. Regarding Higgins, I totally want to see him with a strong woman, and him happily whipped. Is that wrong? I don't know that Brax does make it back as the inspector, but I hope for a speedy return nonetheless! I didn't notice the uniform changes! *goes back to rewatch* I can't see them having George be with someone outside the cast long term. They already do that with Brackenreid. Emily was obviously brought on the show to be the one George would end up with. I just don't think they'll have dropped that. Now that W/J are committed to each other MM will still want a will-they-won't-they romance and that's why I reckon they'll have George/Emily only in a delaying period during S8. Both dating others. Trust me when I say I hope I'm wrong. I am anti-George/Emily and I have been from S5 as I don't think they suit but the show has been pushing it through 3 seasons and I don't think they'll stop now. I wish they would keep Edna around long term for George. I liked her in the beginning of S1. I always wondered why she disappeared. Emily will probably date some socially unacceptable man. Maybe a non-white guy. That would be a surprising relationship for the time. MM had George/Emily having similarities to W/J all along. The whole policeman/coroner thing was a blatant rip-off from W/J. The class differences is another thing. The reason I don't feel George would be a good detective isn't because I'm comparing him to Murdoch. It's because we've seen George as an acting detective and we've seen how easily lead into crazy theories he can be. I love him to death, but sensible he isn't. Plus, Station 4 and the show doesn't really need two detectives. I'd just like to see Higgins with a girlfriend and being happy. I don't mind what's she's like lol. You make an excellent point about Edna not being a regular part of the cast, I hadn't thought of that. She's also a bit like Enid in that she's a widow with a son, and doesn't she mention that hubby's only been gone for 3 months and that the boy doesn't even know yet? (I could have misunderstood that though). Yeah, I quite liked Edna-a strong girl who could get just as passionate about things as George can. I'm concerned that if they do try to make George a detective, they'll mellow him out too much, and he'll cease being our George.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 5, 2014 17:25:25 GMT
I hope you're right about George becoming a junior detective under William-agreed William is politically unsuited for inspector. I like that possibility better than outright promotions. Also, why is there only one detective? I mean, William has to go home sometime. I think there should be multiple detectives. Also, speaking of a chronically undermanned police dept., why didn't the boys have more "force" or even extra bodies when they went to shake down the waterfront? Even if #4 didn't have enough men, another precinct couldn't help out? Or is #4 solely responsible for all of Toronto now? Or, is this just proof of cutbacks at CBC? Seriously though, this is bothering me. I don't think William is politically unsuited for inspector, other than him being Catholic, in fact he's shown himself to be very shrewd when politics comes up. I don't think he'd like the administrative side very much but he does seem to be good with constables re the HR side. I also don't think he'd be happy as he wouldn't have the time to solve puzzles cases, it's what he does best. They only had one detective at each station house, most of the work was done by the constables and you have to remember there were nowhere near the number of murders that there are on MM, certainly doesn't look like 'Toronto the Good' with all the dispatching going on. The detectives work would mainly consist of burglaries and assaults etc. Not sure if station house 4 would cover the dock area, I'd have to look at a map. The area it covers is mentioned in one of the books. The waterfront was different back then too, the lake was much closer, there's been a lot of landfill since Victorian times so looking at a present day map gives a totally different perspective. Maybe as it was station 4's inspector that was injured they were given the 'privilege' of going after the O'Shea brothers in retribution. They must have a lot of constables though as I noticed the cops at the suffragette rally which appeared to be happening at the same time, presumably at Queens Park or city hall, were from 4 too. Now they certainly shouldn't have been covering either of those beats! When I say that he's politically unsuited for inspector or higher, it's not because I don't think he's astute enough to play the game-he clearly is. I just think that it's not suited for him because truth is his mistress, and he'll step on anyone's toes to get it. If that means insulting big wigs, so be it. He doesn't stop short when a trail leads him to the powerful whereas Brax would. It's a key difference between the two. Good to know about only one detective per station house-but it still bothers me that there weren't more men when they went down to the docks. If ever a situation called for backup, this was it. The boys were outnumbered going into a hostile territory-but that's a minor quibble. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 5, 2014 17:44:27 GMT
Thanks for posting this snacky, I enjoyed watching it. Was that Mrs Brackenreid wearing black and looking mournful (I'm watching on my phone so it's pretty small)? Thomas Craig has been seen on set though so they're just trolling right? I think George as acting detective compares pretty favourably to some of the others. The detective in The Hangman springs to mind. Even Slorach was a bit bumbling and he's made Inspector. I'm not sure about making him a full time detective yet though. When did police departments start having a division between detective ranks and uniformed police officers? The met CID was set up in 1878 but I'm not sure on the history of having Police Constables and Detective Constables. I think that they're trolling on Brax-he's down, but he's not out.  Im with with you, I wish I knew a bit more of historical structure of the Toronto constabulary. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 5, 2014 18:18:03 GMT
I'm concerned that if they do try to make George a detective, they'll mellow him out too much, and he'll cease being our George. George will always have both a serious side and a sweet/silly side. I think the writers will handle it well, no matter what happens. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 5, 2014 18:26:01 GMT
Good to know about only one detective per station house-but it still bothers me that there weren't more men when they went down to the docks. If ever a situation called for backup, this was it. The boys were outnumbered going into a hostile territory-but that's a minor quibble. There had to be a point when the constabulary did start to grow. When did they start allowing 2 detectives or a junior detective? |
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Post by snacky on Sept 5, 2014 18:28:09 GMT
but it still bothers me that there weren't more men when they went down to the docks. If ever a situation called for backup, this was it. The boys were outnumbered going into a hostile territory-but that's a minor quibble. You might have already suggested this, but it could be because the Docks aren't their jurisdiction and this is "unofficial business". William has the warrant to arrest the O'Shea brothers, and they are just trying to get to them. They seem to be able to make arrests in any part of Toronto they want. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 5, 2014 18:30:20 GMT
Thanks for posting this snacky, I enjoyed watching it. Was that Mrs Brackenreid wearing black and looking mournful Was that Mrs. B?  I didn't even recognize her! But I agree it would be more chain-yanking the audience. Survey says Inspector B will survive. |
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Post by carco on Sept 5, 2014 18:31:53 GMT
Thanks for posting this snacky, I enjoyed watching it. Was that Mrs Brackenreid wearing black and looking mournful (I'm watching on my phone so it's pretty small)? Thomas Craig has been seen on set though so they're just trolling right? I think George as acting detective compares pretty favourably to some of the others. The detective in The Hangman springs to mind. Even Slorach was a bit bumbling and he's made Inspector. I'm not sure about making him a full time detective yet though. When did police departments start having a division between detective ranks and uniformed police officers? The met CID was set up in 1878 but I'm not sure on the history of having Police Constables and Detective Constables. I think that they're trolling on Brax-he's down, but he's not out. Im with with you, I wish I knew a bit more of historical structure of the Toronto constabulary. Fallenbelle, Earlier this week I posted this info from the Toronto Police Services website it gives a great summary of how things came about from the mid 1800's onward. Maybe it has info you're looking for. I posted a thread in the forensic Science and History section...which may not be the best place for it but c'est la vie! www.torontopolice.on.ca/publications/files/misc/history/1t.html - (several page pamphlet, just click on Next at the bottom of the screen to move on) |
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Post by snacky on Sept 5, 2014 18:32:51 GMT
They can't have two separate cases each episode just to give George something to do. Remember that George was only made acting detective because William wasn't around. George would have to transfer to another station house if he was a full-time detective. As I see it, George is already doing the work as a Junior Detective much of the time: he should get the title and pay to justify it. Nothing much would change except George would get to wear a suit more! |
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Post by snacky on Sept 5, 2014 18:39:45 GMT
I think that they're trolling on Brax-he's down, but he's not out. Im with with you, I wish I knew a bit more of historical structure of the Toronto constabulary. Fallenbelle, Earlier this week I posted this info from the Toronto Police Services website it gives a great summary of how things came about from the mid 1800's onward. Maybe it has info you're looking for. I posted a thread in the forensic Science and History section...which may not be the best place for it but c'est la vie! www.torontopolice.on.ca/publications/files/misc/history/1t.html - (several page pamphlet, just click on Next at the bottom of the screen to move on) What we're trying to figure out is how flexible the organizational structure of a Station House could be. Would it be possible to have a Junior Detective/Senior Detective? Any other possibilities here? |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 5, 2014 20:35:02 GMT
You might have already suggested this, but it could be because the Docks aren't their jurisdiction and this is "unofficial business". William has the warrant to arrest the O'Shea brothers, and they are just trying to get to them. They seem to be able to make arrests in any part of Toronto they want. They can question and arrest anyone anywhere they want as long as they've got an arrest warrant. What they can't do is investigate a case originating outside their jurisdiction, unless invited in of course like William was in the murder of the constable from station house 5. It would seriously hamper their ability to do their job if they had to constantly ask other station houses to question/arrest a suspect in other jurisdictions. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 5, 2014 20:37:59 GMT
Thanks for posting this snacky, I enjoyed watching it. Was that Mrs Brackenreid wearing black and looking mournful Was that Mrs. B? I didn't even recognize her! But I agree it would be more chain-yanking the audience. Survey says Inspector B will survive. If you mean the lady in black watching the brawl at the docks, no it wasn't Mrs. B. No idea who she is, she hasn't been on before. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 5, 2014 20:42:26 GMT
When I say that he's politically unsuited for inspector or higher, it's not because I don't think he's astute enough to play the game-he clearly is. I just think that it's not suited for him because truth is his mistress, and he'll step on anyone's toes to get it. If that means insulting big wigs, so be it. He doesn't stop short when a trail leads him to the powerful whereas Brax would. It's a key difference between the two. You're right there, truth and politics is an oxymoron. |
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Post by carco on Sept 5, 2014 20:47:14 GMT
Fallenbelle, Earlier this week I posted this info from the Toronto Police Services website it gives a great summary of how things came about from the mid 1800's onward. Maybe it has info you're looking for. I posted a thread in the forensic Science and History section...which may not be the best place for it but c'est la vie! www.torontopolice.on.ca/publications/files/misc/history/1t.html - (several page pamphlet, just click on Next at the bottom of the screen to move on) What we're trying to figure out is how flexible the organizational structure of a Station House could be. Would it be possible to have a Junior Detective/Senior Detective? Any other possibilities here? OK, I found a university paper on line but can't link it here. It is called Working Men in uniform: the Early 20th Century Toronto Police by M Greg Marquis. Actually has some interesting info for a die-hard Murdoch fan!! There's not specific mention of ranks the early 1900's before 1910 (that I could see with a quick read through)but from what I can see as of 1910 and onward there were Ranks of (highest to lowest) - Inspector, Sargeant, Detective, Dectective Sargeant, Patrol Sargeant, Constable. |
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Post by murdochic on Sept 5, 2014 21:26:13 GMT
They can't have two separate cases each episode just to give George something to do. Remember that George was only made acting detective because William wasn't around. George would have to transfer to another station house if he was a full-time detective. As I see it, George is already doing the work as a Junior Detective much of the time: he should get the title and pay to justify it. Nothing much would change except George would get to wear a suit more! I'd have to disagree with here. George is doing constable work. Higgins often does the exact same things as him. |
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) about George/Emily-I want to see George with someone else. Yes, the show made a mistake dropping her, but maybe now they're fixing it by bringing her back? You know, now that they've both mellowed out with experience and age, they're even better now?
I didn't even recognize her!