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Post by snacky on Sept 6, 2014 1:19:45 GMT
You might have already suggested this, but it could be because the Docks aren't their jurisdiction and this is "unofficial business". William has the warrant to arrest the O'Shea brothers, and they are just trying to get to them. They seem to be able to make arrests in any part of Toronto they want. They can question and arrest anyone anywhere they want as long as they've got an arrest warrant. What they can't do is investigate a case originating outside their jurisdiction, unless invited in of course like William was in the murder of the constable from station house 5. It would seriously hamper their ability to do their job if they had to constantly ask other station houses to question/arrest a suspect in other jurisdictions. Since the Inspector was found outside the Station House, it seems like the case originated within their jurisdiction. Other Station Houses would probably look the other way on this one, though. Hope none are holding a long grudge against Station House! |
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Post by snacky on Sept 6, 2014 3:57:14 GMT
What we're trying to figure out is how flexible the organizational structure of a Station House could be. Would it be possible to have a Junior Detective/Senior Detective? Any other possibilities here? OK, I found a university paper on line but can't link it here. It is called Working Men in uniform: the Early 20th Century Toronto Police by M Greg Marquis. Actually has some interesting info for a die-hard Murdoch fan!! There's not specific mention of ranks the early 1900's before 1910 (that I could see with a quick read through)but from what I can see as of 1910 and onward there were Ranks of (highest to lowest) - Inspector, Sargeant, Detective, Dectective Sargeant, Patrol Sargeant, Constable. Someone will just have to INVENT a new title then! |
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Post by snacky on Sept 6, 2014 3:59:29 GMT
As I see it, George is already doing the work as a Junior Detective much of the time: he should get the title and pay to justify it. Nothing much would change except George would get to wear a suit more! I'd have to disagree with here. George is doing constable work. Higgins often does the exact same things as him. I think William gives George much higher level research work because he's more reliable, whereas Henry often screws up.  |
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Post by ziggy on Sept 6, 2014 5:39:20 GMT
I think Annie had put up a list of the Canadian Police ranks and the various levels in a different thread. I am not exactly sure where I saw it but I think it may be the Domestic Bliss thread. With that list as a guide, I think George is a 2nd Level Constable as he seems higher than the others. I still recommend a promotion for him.
I actually think Slorach is still a Detective but seeing that he is temporarily filling in for an Inspector, he is addressed as one. Same way George is called Detective when he fills in for William and Higgins has to call him “Sir” (lol!). That’s why William doesn’t seem too bothered about him being the boss. William staying on as Detective means he gets to lead the investigation and not Slorach. It looked like George and William were expecting Brackenreid though and not Slorach.
The woman in widow’s black looks like Mrs. B to me, without her hat, but I want to believe it’s not her. If they are not trolling, I don’t see why they would throw that clip in there in isolation, unless they are trying to tell us something. The clip seems to be from a different episode just like the car scene. It is very worrisome as the same woman was seen taking a walk with William, arm in arm, in another S8 preview shown before this one. Not many women get that close to William and this woman must be very familiar with William if she is not Mrs. B. This is not the S8 preview they showed at the Murdoch Experience and I think this woman was in that one as well.
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Post by chrysophylax on Sept 6, 2014 5:47:11 GMT
Thanks for posting this snacky, I enjoyed watching it. Was that Mrs Brackenreid wearing black and looking mournful Was that Mrs. B? I didn't even recognize her! But I agree it would be more chain-yanking the audience. Survey says Inspector B will survive. False alarm it would seem. I'll have to watch again on my computer. Can I multiquote on here? I can't work out how so thanks talbotrail. Not sure that's worked but it's supposed to be a screenshot of the mystery woman in black.  I had thought it seemed unusual to focus on someone completely new but it's hard to tell at the moment. Station House 4 is pretty ahead of the game in certain things. Maybe they could be the first one to have a Detective Sergeant?  |
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Post by snacky on Sept 6, 2014 6:16:37 GMT
Was that Mrs. B? I didn't even recognize her! But I agree it would be more chain-yanking the audience. Survey says Inspector B will survive. False alarm it would seem. I'll have to watch again on my computer. Can I multiquote on here? I can't work out how so thanks talbotrail. Not sure that's worked but it's supposed to be a screenshot of the mystery woman in black. I had thought it seemed unusual to focus on someone completely new but it's hard to tell at the moment. Station House 4 is pretty ahead of the game in certain things. Maybe they could be the first one to have a Detective Sergeant? You can multi-quote by cutting-out/pasting the new quotes you want, highlighting it, and clicking on the "quote" button (beside the smilies) above. However, don't do it. When people hit reply, your quotes will disappear, and they won't be able to reply to all your quotes! Don't ask me why! Even though it looks like a wall of text, just leave your replies in one chunk.  The woman in black will probably be the wife of someone who dies near in the premiere episode. William may have been walking with her in a friendly fashion, but then he is always a gentleman! Were William and Julia in William's office when Slorach caught them? It just occurred to me it looked lighter somehow... Are we sure Slorach is the "boss", or was he just randomly commenting on William's use of "company time"? Maybe William's the boss! |
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Post by snacky on Sept 6, 2014 6:20:33 GMT
I actually think Slorach is still a Detective but seeing that he is temporarily filling in for an Inspector, he is addressed as one. Did that video actually confirm Slorach is an Acting Inspector? I just remember William and/or George saying they missed Brackenreid. At the minute I can't think of seeing any confirmation that Slorach was actually pulling rank on William. On the other hand, I saw William acting with a lot of authority on the docks - and no Slorach to be seen. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 6, 2014 6:22:03 GMT
Was that Mrs. B? I didn't even recognize her! But I agree it would be more chain-yanking the audience. Survey says Inspector B will survive. False alarm it would seem. I'll have to watch again on my computer. Can I multiquote on here? I can't work out how so thanks talbotrail. Not sure that's worked but it's supposed to be a screenshot of the mystery woman in black. I had thought it seemed unusual to focus on someone completely new but it's hard to tell at the moment. Station House 4 is pretty ahead of the game in certain things. Maybe they could be the first one to have a Detective Sergeant? Someone that was at the shoot saw this woman and didn't know who she was but she didn't like having her photo taken.... Apparently she must be a British actress as she's supposed to have been in East Enders. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 6, 2014 6:24:38 GMT
Are we sure Slorach is the "boss", or was he just randomly commenting on William's use of "company time"? Maybe William's the boss! Yep, Slorach is the boss, they called him inspector. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 6, 2014 6:27:22 GMT
I actually think Slorach is still a Detective but seeing that he is temporarily filling in for an Inspector, he is addressed as one. Did that video actually confirm Slorach is an Acting Inspector? I just remember William and/or George saying they missed Brackenreid. At the minute I can't think of seeing any confirmation that Slorach was actually pulling rank on William. On the other hand, I saw William acting with a lot of authority on the docks - and no Slorach to be seen. At the beginning of the clip they talk about the inspector getting out of bed to come to the crime scene. Slorach is the man that turns up. Then William/George both say they miss Brackenreid. Slorach never actually pulled rank other than to comment about planning nuptials on police time. |
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Post by chrysophylax on Sept 6, 2014 6:55:52 GMT
False alarm it would seem. I'll have to watch again on my computer. Can I multiquote on here? I can't work out how so thanks talbotrail. Not sure that's worked but it's supposed to be a screenshot of the mystery woman in black. I had thought it seemed unusual to focus on someone completely new but it's hard to tell at the moment. Station House 4 is pretty ahead of the game in certain things. Maybe they could be the first one to have a Detective Sergeant? Someone that was at the shoot saw this woman and didn't know who she was but she didn't like having her photo taken.... Apparently she must be a British actress as she's supposed to have been in East Enders. Good to know! I wonder if we were supposed to think it was Mrs B from the far away shot through the window? She definitely looks familiar. I was thinking she looks like Jill Halfpenny who was in Eastenders but she's been in Murdoch Mysteries before (Elizabeth Bryant in Murdoch of the Klondike) and it might turn out she actually looks nothing like her! |
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Post by monty151 on Sept 6, 2014 7:00:35 GMT
The woman in black looks like Jo Joyner who played Tanya in EastEnders. I am not sure but she does look familiar. (Maybe she killed Lucy!!!!)
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Post by murdochic on Sept 6, 2014 10:46:34 GMT
It's Jo Joyner. Maybe her husband was killed by the dockers who attacked Brackenreid.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 6, 2014 13:48:19 GMT
I'd have to disagree with here. George is doing constable work. Higgins often does the exact same things as him. I think William gives George much higher level research work because he's more reliable, whereas Henry often screws up. I would agree with this-they both may be Constables, but George is on the promotion track it seems-he gets more responsibility than Higgins and is somewhere between a detective and a constable-if only unofficially. |
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Post by murdochic on Sept 6, 2014 17:42:59 GMT
I think William gives George much higher level research work because he's more reliable, whereas Henry often screws up. I would agree with this-they both may be Constables, but George is on the promotion track it seems-he gets more responsibility than Higgins and is somewhere between a detective and a constable-if only unofficially. I've just re-watched the series, and I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. It's quite possible he may become a Sergeant if he wants to go further as a constable, but he isn't one yet. Constables aren't junior detectives, that's a separate department. George would have to go into plain clothes to become any kind of detective. George and Higgins do a lot of the same work so they are the same level. George just happens to have more scenes in the cases because he's a bigger character than Higgins. George actually says in the new clips that he's content as a constable when Edna questions why he hasn't gone further in the police. |
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