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Post by Hodge on Mar 18, 2015 14:32:53 GMT
LMAO! That's exactly the cliched soap opera crap I wrote into my Lemily fic (of all places)! If he does turn out not be dead after all, I will seriously lose my shit! Since they basically ignored their relationship this episode, there's either going to be a dramatic conclusion to their relationship very soon, or Lillian is in S9...but I do think that part of the shows problem now is that they keep adding characters and forgetting about others. Where the hell has Jackson been? It isn't filming OB cuz those schedules don't clash much. Back in the 'good old days' they only had four characters to deal with and they received the proper attention. I understand that change is inevitable and that shows have to evolve to stay fresh, but sometimes they evolve too much away from what they once were. Which is basically what all our problems are with this season. It wouldn't surprise me if that's what happens though! You've hit the nail on the head with this! There are now so many characters and they're trying to include as many of them in each ep as possible it seems. It's time to get back to the basic five (only because I don't see Julia ever getting back into the morgue  ). It's fine to introduce a new character every now and again but there were so many introduced this season I don't know how they can keep track of them all. Hmm, they kept track of the new characters by forgetting the old ones....  |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 18, 2015 14:37:26 GMT
I'm wondering if William would have better luck getting promoted in some other part of Canada, perhaps Montreal, Winnipeg, or Vancouver? That might be an interesting conclusion for the show. That would indeed be an interesting conclusion. But there's that pesky RoD canon to contend with about the Murdochs coming from a long line of Toronto cops going back to the 1890's... It'll be interesting to see how closely they adhere to facts given in that episode. I guess you could ignore RoD as it's not actually part of the MM universe. There again MJ also has a long line of decendants in Shipwreck. Another thing you could ignore too I suppose as Murdoch's wife is different. |
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Post by murdochic on Mar 18, 2015 15:22:11 GMT
If they want to expand on a character outside the main 5, then they should expand on Higgins. He is secondary cast and has been in the show all along, yet he has never really been explored. I'm still waiting for him to get a centric storyline and a romance. It's time they used him properly, he deserves that much. I don't need recurring guest stars getting expansion beyond the basics.
S9 has to deal with the house and child issue with W/J. They've ignored both this season and it's not very realistic that they wouldn't have started to deal with both things now that they're married. Sure, keep George with Edna, I wouldn't mind. Then have Emily with either Lillian (doubt it will happen), a new woman or a man who actually suits her this time. But for gods sake have Julia and Emily more involved in the crimes stories, they managed to do it in S5-7, so it's not hard to do. That's been the problem with this season, sidelining the girls and sidelining the characters personal lives too much.
If George is somehow going to be a detective in S9 (still find that unbelievable), don't have it feeling forced and at the expense of Julia and Emily getting important things to do in the cases. And please drop the politics storyline, that's not what MM is about. It's a crime drama and it's taking away from what the show is about. Don't keep having seasons if they can't think of interesting reasons for it. This is way I don't think they show can go on much longer, they're running out of steam. I still enjoy MM, but S8 doesn't compare to S1-4 or S6-7 (I've never been a big S5 fan).
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Post by Hodge on Mar 18, 2015 16:40:37 GMT
If they want to expand on a character outside the main 5, then they should expand on Higgins. He is secondary cast and has been in the show all along, yet he has never really been explored. I'm still waiting for him to get a centric storyline and a romance. It's time they used him properly, he deserves that much. I don't need recurring guest stars getting expansion beyond the basics. S9 has to deal with the house and child issue with W/J. They've ignored both this season and it's not very realistic that they wouldn't have started to deal with both things now that they're married. Sure, keep George with Edna, I wouldn't mind. Then have Emily with either Lillian (doubt it will happen), a new woman or a man who actually suits her this time. But for gods sake have Julia and Emily more involved in the crimes stories, they managed to do it in S5-7, so it's not hard to do. That's been the problem with this season, sidelining the girls and sidelining the characters personal lives too much. If George is somehow going to be a detective in S9 (still find that unbelievable), don't have it feeling forced and at the expense of Julia and Emily getting important things to do in the cases. And please drop the politics storyline, that's not what MM is about. It's a crime drama and it's taking away from what the show is about. Don't keep having seasons if they can't think of interesting reasons for it. This is way I don't think they show can go on much longer, they're running out of steam. I still enjoy MM, but S8 doesn't compare to S1-4 or S6-7 (I've never been a big S5 fan). They're running out of steam because they've gone out on a tangent this season and can't find enough for the main characters to do. Not to mention bringing in way more new characters than they can juggle at once. Time to get back to what MM is all about, the crime of the week solved by Murdoch and Crabtree with help from Brackenreid, Emily and YES, Julia! With a little bit of Jilliam thrown in whilst they're working together. George can't be a detective. He can't work at SH4 so that would mean either he leaves or they start adding SH3 into the mix which will add even MORE characters for them to juggle. He could however become a sergeant, so getting the promotion he deserves without leaving or expanding the cast even more. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 18, 2015 18:03:58 GMT
@fallenbelle re:Moonlighting Curse - the current problem has zip to do with the marriage unless the writers deliberately kept William and Julia in separate storylines for fear that Jilliam was over the minute vows were said.
IMHO, they just wanted to portray Julia as her own woman and they also wanted to highlight the importance of the suffrage struggle during this era. In the process they obtusely missed the opportunity to exploit William's desire for children.
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Post by snacky on Mar 18, 2015 18:13:52 GMT
@desksgthodge - IMHO, the hotel was a brilliant historically correct - esp. in terms of feminist history - solution for William and Julia, and I hope they remain there at least another season. This would give William the opportunity to start nudging on the child issue.
However, why should Julia give in so soon? This would be female viewers imposing biological clock-driven fantasy frameworks on the show arc yet again. IMHO, Julia should stick up for the things she wanted to accomplish in life a little while longer - perhaps great things ! Remember her sad remark when she was in prison? Let some fabulous opportunity come her way! I still think she should invent the "crime lab"!
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Mar 18, 2015 18:32:16 GMT
OMG, you're a GODDESS! I didn't even notice you were approaching deityhood! What temple are you choosing, oh mighty one? I've decided that I will be supreme overlord of the Self-Proclaimed Screencap God & Goddess of the Murdochian Temporal Continuum temples. |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Mar 18, 2015 18:55:57 GMT
I'm a bit late to the party on this one but alas! I am here now! "I think that Constable Crabtree should be encouraged to follow his instincts."* *but only when supernatural elements are not invovled and he follows a more rational line of thinking. i.e no werewolves, zombies, mummies and martians. I loved how quickly Julia and the girls hid those wine glasses. (and how Julia so quickly drowned hers) Oh my goodness. That was a well paced pole. I have a feeling the barber's running a scam. This cannot end well for the Brackenrieds. (maybe they end up living in the suite next to the Murdoch's in the hotel?) That would be funny/awkward. Oh Murdoch making innuendos. You can tell someone is married now. Murdoch is not good with Simon. Like not at all. Ugh. I wish Miss Hamiltion would remove herself from that fox she is wearing. OOHH Margaret Haile's face when she saw those pamphlets USE YOUR KUNG FU SKILLS GEORGE "He'll be fine" *RUN AWAY RUN AWAY* d'awww GENDA! oh my goodness that cheezy music awwww yeesss Murdoch undercover shotsshotsshotsshotsshotsshotsshotsshots George looked somewhat concerned, with both Brackenreid and Murdoch touching him. d'aww he looked so flabbergasted. I want Crabtree to get the position, but I want him to continue at Stationhouse No. 4. IM SO TORN *sobs* What? I missed an innuendo? It was a very very subtle one, where Murdoch is telling George--oh hold on i'll quote directly |
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Post by lilac on Mar 18, 2015 19:57:20 GMT
I think the only people who don't like Gedna are some who are still hung up on Gemily for some reason. I still don't get that ship at all. Emily was outright mean to George! What was there to ship!  She wasn't exactly mean, she just wanted to change George into someone more daring, mature and cultured and that simply isn't who George will ever be. They were shippable because they were young professionals but Emily always seemed like a mature woman and George the idealistic little boy trying to impress and keep up with her. |
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Post by lilac on Mar 18, 2015 20:34:41 GMT
I don't expect Lillian/ Emily to last but I do expect Emily to find a less radical girlfriend (probably in season 10). I actually like Gedna, they seem sweet but they also seem like the most seamless relationship. George is too young to completely settle down but he's already taken a fatherly role with Simon and spends most of his time with them. Unlike William and Enid, where he was settling for a bargain version of his eventual future with Julia and they didn't really feel like a family, George fits into the family man role and they seem to compliment each other. George is like 35. Do you mean mentally speaking he's not old enough to completely settle down? Cuz yeah, he sometimes has the mentality of an eight year old...but then so too does Murdoch, ie. fart gags. Anyway, yeah, I'm liking them more and more every time I see them together. I frequently forget just how old George is but he lives by himself in a small room in a boarding house and he's been independent since he was a teen. They work well as a couple but this is his first serious relationship that could actually turn into something permanent. I think the relationship is far too new for George to be considering proposing to Edna, marrying her and becoming a husband and father. He's never had to provide for anyone, let alone a wife and child, and I don't think he's ready to leave the bachelor lifestyle where he can hang out with Higgins and spend his savings on fancy cars, stocks, vaudeville and pizza and not worry about how it will affect his family or how they'll get by. |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 18, 2015 20:47:45 GMT
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Post by Hodge on Mar 18, 2015 22:39:18 GMT
@desksgthodge - IMHO, the hotel was a brilliant historically correct - esp. in terms of feminist history - solution for William and Julia, and I hope they remain there at least another season. This would give William the opportunity to start nudging on the child issue. However, why should Julia give in so soon? This would be female viewers imposing biological clock-driven fantasy frameworks on the show arc yet again. IMHO, Julia should stick up for the things she wanted to accomplish in life a little while longer - perhaps great things ! Remember her sad remark when she was in prison? Let some fabulous opportunity come her way! I still think she should invent the "crime lab"! I beg your pardon, did I say something against the hotel? I'm not in the baby camp, I don't want to see one for a few years. Unfortunately that goes against my desire for them to have a biological child when they actually do. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 19, 2015 0:18:57 GMT
@dedksgthodge - sorry if I mixed you up with someone else. The multiquote comments have been really long today and are difficult to deal with on my kindle. They are too long to quote in my reply. I must have gotten confused about who made the comment about it being time for William and Julia to get a house and deal with the baby issue next season.
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Post by snacky on Mar 19, 2015 0:42:35 GMT
They were shippable but Emily always seemed like a mature woman and George the idealistic little boy trying to impress and keep up with her. Still can't see it, but I'm always open to being convinced! Especially sine I'm practically alone on the Pirate Ship Emillian! Yarr! |
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Post by barbarama on Mar 19, 2015 1:32:03 GMT
The writers are probably already planning Season 9 - so now is the time to let them know what you think!  I do it Snacky, like all the time  |
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). It's fine to introduce a new character every now and again but there were so many introduced this season I don't know how they can keep track of them all. Hmm, they kept track of the new characters by forgetting the old ones.... 
