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Post by shangas on Mar 21, 2015 10:56:42 GMT
Finally got a chance to watch this (yes it sucks living in the Antipodes).
Not a bad episode. Boxing isn't my thing, but eh.
The whole thing about the temperance movement was very interesting. And stuff like that really DID happen. Those temperance girls wanted to shut everything down. Like how you couldn't read certain kinds of books. You couldn't carry liquor in the open street. Streetcars couldn't run on Sundays, this couldn't open on Sunday. That couldn't open on Sunday.
It made them very unpopular, as you can imagine. Forcing their morals onto the lives of other people.
The investigation itself was pretty interesting. The idea of George being promoted to detective...Well.
If that does happen, then what happens at Station 4? Who takes over from George as Murdoch's right-hand-man?
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Post by Hodge on Mar 22, 2015 0:34:10 GMT
I noticed that Julia really enjoys drinking whisky.. Over tea it seems... Do you think she is becoming addicted ? Naw, they wouldn't do something that serious with a main character on MM. The closest they have ever come is Brackenreid's humorous addiction to cocaine with his "gold cure". I think they might find ways to play Julia's indulgence in drink for humor - especially as prohibition era approaches (did they have something like this in Canada?). Also it will probably create a bit of tension with William. They might allow Julia to get drunk to emphasize some emotional situation, like a fight with William over whether they should start a family. But a Julia addiction story? That would be too soap opera for MM.  I bet if we got a larger base of fanfic writers, we will see it there, though.  Canada didn't have prohibition, in fact we kept the US in booze. Hiram Walker in Windsor was one of the largest 'exporters' to the US across the Detroit river. There's a great book about the Rum Runners in Windsor but it's only available in Kindle now. www.tidridge.com/uploads/3/8/4/1/3841927/bootlegging_in_windsor.pdfen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum-running_in_Windsorwww.rumrunnerstour.com/ |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 22, 2015 1:16:56 GMT
Naw, they wouldn't do something that serious with a main character on MM. The closest they have ever come is Brackenreid's humorous addiction to cocaine with his "gold cure". I think they might find ways to play Julia's indulgence in drink for humor - especially as prohibition era approaches (did they have something like this in Canada?). Also it will probably create a bit of tension with William. They might allow Julia to get drunk to emphasize some emotional situation, like a fight with William over whether they should start a family. But a Julia addiction story? That would be too soap opera for MM. I bet if we got a larger base of fanfic writers, we will see it there, though. Canada didn't have prohibition, in fact we kept the US in booze. Hiram Walker in Windsor was one of the largest 'exporters' to the US across the Detroit river. There's a great book about the Rum Runners in Windsor but it's only available in Kindle now. www.tidridge.com/uploads/3/8/4/1/3841927/bootlegging_in_windsor.pdfen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum-running_in_Windsorwww.rumrunnerstour.com/Actually, Ontario did have Prohibition from 1916 to 1927, however, it didn't ban the making of liquor and exporting it. A lot of our crazy liquor laws are still from that period or as a result of the prohibition being lifted. (Like the Brewers' Retail having a monopoly on beer sales.....with luck, that will end with the upcoming Provincial budget......)
prohibitionincanada.blogspot.ca/p/prohibition-timeline.html
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Post by Hodge on Mar 22, 2015 1:32:30 GMT
Actually, Ontario did have Prohibition from 1916 to 1927, however, it didn't ban the making of liquor and exporting it. A lot of our crazy liquor laws are still from that period or as a result of the prohibition being lifted. (Like the Brewers' Retail having a monopoly on beer sales.....with luck, that will end with the upcoming Provincial budget......)
prohibitionincanada.blogspot.ca/p/prohibition-timeline.html
Guess I missed that one. Living in the Windsor area I only ever heard about the rum runners. |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 22, 2015 2:29:59 GMT
There are some delightful stories of rumrunners from Newfoundland, which was, of course, not part of Canada yet and had no prohibition. They used to attach cases of booze to bags of salt and sail into American waters.....if they spotted the Customs boat, they'd throw the cases and salt overboard......the salt would initially sink the cases, then dissolve so the cases would refloat and they'd recover them.......
Seagrams was another Spirits maker who made their fortune rumrunning to the US.....
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 22, 2015 2:42:11 GMT
Just a thought, but could the last season of MM be set in the twenties wherein we get to see post-WWI effects on society, as well as flappers and bootleggers? It would be awesome to see where people ended up, how William dealt with all that change, and they handled the whole prohibition thing.
At least, I think it would be fascinating.
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Post by snacky on Mar 22, 2015 3:33:31 GMT
Just a thought, but could the last season of MM be set in the twenties wherein we get to see post-WWI effects on society, as well as flappers and bootleggers? It would be awesome to see where people ended up, how William dealt with all that change, and they handled the whole prohibition thing. At least, I think it would be fascinating. I'm not sure about the season itself, but I bet the last episode will be set far in the "future". I'm thinking that William would have to actually participate in WWI as some sort of code-breaker, no matter how old he is, since he has those skills. At the moment, though, I'm kind of creeped out about what the season finale may mean for William vis-a-vis giving George a chance to return to Station House 4. Could that mean William is left disabled in some way?  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 22, 2015 3:43:56 GMT
Just a thought, but could the last season of MM be set in the twenties wherein we get to see post-WWI effects on society, as well as flappers and bootleggers? It would be awesome to see where people ended up, how William dealt with all that change, and they handled the whole prohibition thing. At least, I think it would be fascinating. I'm not sure about the season itself, but I bet the last episode will be set far in the "future". I'm thinking that William would have to actually participate in WWI as some sort of code-breaker, no matter how old he is, since he has those skills. At the moment, though, I'm kind of creeped out about what the season finale may mean for William vis-a-vis giving George a chance to return to Station House 4. Could that mean William is left disabled in some way? Yeah, I know. Things like that make me worry-which is how you end up with a fic like the one I just wrote. I'm not saying it has to go down that way (would prefer that it didn't actually) but yeah...not happy thoughts! But, I think an entire season devoted to the future would be fascinating-it would show us how well did William adapt to the future-and his entire worldview shifting on it's axis. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 22, 2015 4:45:04 GMT
Yeah, I know. Things like that make me worry-which is how you end up with a fic like the one I just wrote. I'm not saying it has to go down that way (would prefer that it didn't actually) but yeah...not happy thoughts! But, I think an entire season devoted to the future would be fascinating-it would show us how well did William adapt to the future-and his entire worldview shifting on it's axis. World War I was not only the laboratory of a lot of inventions: it brought a lot of the inventions that were seen as "positive" in a modernizing and futuristic way in William's world (they had just come out of a "great depression" in the early 1890s) to a destructive, nihilistic, futile denouement. It's a very depressing ending, but it's also a pretty important morality tale for the way we handle industrialized science and technology. MM already made an allusion to the development of mustard gas: that came out of the aniline dye industry and the first episode of "patent wars" over dye colors. Air planes and air wars. Submarines warfare This link claims we owe wrist watches, stainless steel, and ZIPPERS to WWI... www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26935867 |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 22, 2015 5:52:41 GMT
Yeah, I know. Things like that make me worry-which is how you end up with a fic like the one I just wrote. I'm not saying it has to go down that way (would prefer that it didn't actually) but yeah...not happy thoughts! But, I think an entire season devoted to the future would be fascinating-it would show us how well did William adapt to the future-and his entire worldview shifting on it's axis. World War I was not only the laboratory of a lot of inventions: it brought a lot of the inventions that were seen as "positive" in a modernizing and futuristic way in William's world (they had just come out of a "great depression" in the early 1890s) to a destructive, nihilistic, futile denouement. It's a very depressing ending, but it's also a pretty important morality tale for the way we handle industrialized science and technology. MM already made an allusion to the development of mustard gas: that came out of the aniline dye industry and the first episode of "patent wars" over dye colors. Air planes and air wars. Submarines warfare This link claims we owe wrist watches, stainless steel, and ZIPPERS to WWI... www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26935867WWII usually gets all the love and attention historically, and it did cause a tidal wave of change in the post-war period. However, I think WWI was more revolutionary and even more game changing than WWII in terms of the rapid social modernization that happened after the war. In MM's time, technology was bringing everyone into the modern world, but folks were still clinging to the traditional social mores. After WWI, that changed-social mores became modern as well, and I'm thinking that Murdoch would really struggle with that. Even though the traditional world was already on its way out by WWI, the war changed everything. It was modern in the technological sense, but still very traditional in a social sense-the Germans allowed a British POW leave to visit his dying mother if he gave his word as an officer and a gentleman that he'd return-and he did! Of course, after the war, all bets were off, and thus, we got the Jazz age.  I love how MFMM has made war memories a supporting character, because it absolutely was the elephant in the room. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 22, 2015 7:04:40 GMT
WWII usually gets all the love and attention historically, and it did cause a tidal wave of change in the post-war period. However, I think WWI was more revolutionary and even more game changing than WWII in terms of the rapid social modernization that happened after the war. In MM's time, technology was bringing everyone into the modern world, but folks were still clinging to the traditional social mores. After WWI, that changed-social mores became modern as well, and I'm thinking that Murdoch would really struggle with that. Even though the traditional world was already on its way out by WWI, the war changed everything. It was modern in the technological sense, but still very traditional in a social sense-the Germans allowed a British POW leave to visit his dying mother if he gave his word as an officer and a gentleman that he'd return-and he did! Of course, after the war, all bets were off, and thus, we got the Jazz age. I love how MFMM has made war memories a supporting character, because it absolutely was the elephant in the room. The British also had the lasting sense that they lost a whole generation of artists and poets and high class young gentlemen. Before WWI, war had been a game of aristocrats. The high ranking officers were graduates of Cambridge and Oxford. So after the war, England got to wonder what works of artistic and literary merit might have been written if such talented souls had not been wasted in the trenches. Also everyone knew that WWI was the outcome of diplomatic maneuvers chess moves taken to their logical conclusions. In the end all the players just had to see who would win once all the cards were laid on the table: the battle strategies, the new technologies, the alliance promises, etc. After WWI, that was never happening again. Of course, Canada didn't have an aristocracy, but it still partook in the British Empire. I guess the good news is that if William has a son, he will be too young to be lost in this war. He will be partying it up in the 20s instead. |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 22, 2015 8:40:04 GMT
WWII usually gets all the love and attention historically, and it did cause a tidal wave of change in the post-war period. However, I think WWI was more revolutionary and even more game changing than WWII in terms of the rapid social modernization that happened after the war. In MM's time, technology was bringing everyone into the modern world, but folks were still clinging to the traditional social mores. After WWI, that changed-social mores became modern as well, and I'm thinking that Murdoch would really struggle with that. Even though the traditional world was already on its way out by WWI, the war changed everything. It was modern in the technological sense, but still very traditional in a social sense-the Germans allowed a British POW leave to visit his dying mother if he gave his word as an officer and a gentleman that he'd return-and he did! Of course, after the war, all bets were off, and thus, we got the Jazz age. I love how MFMM has made war memories a supporting character, because it absolutely was the elephant in the room. The British also had the lasting sense that they lost a whole generation of artists and poets and high class young gentlemen. Before WWI, war had been a game of aristocrats. The high ranking officers were graduates of Cambridge and Oxford. So after the war, England got to wonder what works of artistic and literary merit might have been written if such talented souls had not been wasted in the trenches. Also everyone knew that WWI was the outcome of diplomatic maneuvers chess moves taken to their logical conclusions. In the end all the players just had to see who would win once all the cards were laid on the table: the battle strategies, the new technologies, the alliance promises, etc. After WWI, that was never happening again. Of course, Canada didn't have an aristocracy, but it still partook in the British Empire. I guess the good news is that if William has a son, he will be too young to be lost in this war. He will be partying it up in the 20s instead. I'd argue that Canada did have an aristocracy, in that there was a stratified society, with a few wealthy families ruling the roost. Some were knighted. It wasn't until after WWI that the Canadian Government formed a policy that Canadians could not accept foreign titles and awards, unless they were strictly honorary and no title used (e.g., Canadians can except an honorary French Legion of Honour.) The last Canadian Prime Minister to be knighted was Sir Robert Borden, who was PM during WWI.
If William and Julia adopt a son born by 1900, he could potentially squeeze into the war as he'd be 16 in 1916, and a lot lied about their age to enlist. I've been to the cemetery at Vimy Ridge in France and there were a few who were just 16, so they must of lied to get over by then. If they were found out, they were sent home, but if they were close to their 16th birthday, they'd stay......Now, the Brackenreid boys would both be the ideal age bracket and I suspect would enlist as early in 1914 as they could......
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Post by snacky on Mar 22, 2015 20:16:57 GMT
......Now, the Brackenreid boys would both be the ideal age bracket and I suspect would enlist as early in 1914 as they could...... Yes I suspect the Brackenreid boys will come to a tragic end and the inspector will have a very different view of "industrialized" war when all is said and done. And I bet at least one is fighter pilot. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 22, 2015 20:20:42 GMT
......Now, the Brackenreid boys would both be the ideal age bracket and I suspect would enlist as early in 1914 as they could...... Yes I suspect the Brackenreid boys will come to a tragic end and the inspector will have a very different view of "industrialized" war when all is said and done. And I bet at least one is fighter pilot. I very much doubt John would enlist however I do see Bobby enlisting. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 22, 2015 20:37:41 GMT
Yes I suspect the Brackenreid boys will come to a tragic end and the inspector will have a very different view of "industrialized" war when all is said and done. And I bet at least one is fighter pilot. I very much doubt John would enlist however I do see Bobby enlisting. Isn't there a draft? |
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I love how MFMM has made war memories a supporting character, because it absolutely was the elephant in the room. 