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Post by snacky on Jan 16, 2015 2:53:06 GMT
Regarding Lillian Moss - her thinness makes me wonder if Julia's "psychological" episode is as support for more radical hunger-striking suffragettes. It's possible Emily's sapphist relationship might end tragically.  I thought of this while glancing back through my library books on Charlotte Perkins Gilman before returning them today. There were many conflicts in the suffrage movement at the time - many similar to protest movements now. One issue was whether women should resort to smashing windows As THE leading intellectual of women's issues, Gilnan weighed in on the point at which women could and should resort to "violence". Gilman was also amajor theoriist of dress reform, economic independence, non-slavery to the kitchen, and of course that Darwinian curse of marriage I mentioned earlier. She did appreciate that most women, including herself, would marry - they just had to work harder to avoid dependence. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 16, 2015 3:06:10 GMT
More on Gilman and possible influnce on MM. Gilman was divorced and perhaps she became a powerful writer out of er need to justify that.
GET THIS- in 1900, at the height of her international fame, Gilman married a "moderately successful patent lawyer" who enabled her active public career. They moved into a HOTEL and took meals at a boarding house in recognition Gilman had her own career. Gilman was 40.
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Post by snacky on Jan 16, 2015 3:21:47 GMT
More notes on Gilman. This is the author to read for early 1900s. She was widely respected in her own time bc while the suffrage movement latched on to larger ideologies, they didn't have their own Darwinian-Marxist analyst. Unlike radicals like Emma Goldman, Gilman was a Fabian socialist who believed in evolution rather than revolution. She was from the Progressive tradition in the US which is similar to Progressives today, and tends to be elitist: replace corporations and rich oligarchs with educated/moral middle class. In Gilman's era that also made her writings patronizing on race as well as class. I suppose it comes down to who defines education and how open the middle class is, though.
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Jan 16, 2015 3:24:17 GMT
About Julia's absence, Paul Aitken explained it on FB. Julia was supposed to be in several scenes including the dinner scene however Helene was injured in a bike accident and they had to re-write the scenes on the day. No conspiracy!! I'm relieved but still think the ladies have had short shrift in the last few eps notwithstanding Julia playing Mrs. Murdoch in Keystone Constables. That makes me feel a little better as well. |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Jan 16, 2015 3:24:57 GMT
More on Gilman and possible influnce on MM. Gilman was divorced and perhaps she became a powerful writer out of er need to justify that. GET THIS- in 1900, at the height of her international fame, Gilman married a "moderately successful patent lawyer" who enabled her active public career. They moved into a HOTEL and took meals at a boarding house in recognition Gilman had her own career. Gilman was 40. *coughTheMurdochscough* |
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Post by snacky on Jan 16, 2015 3:40:29 GMT
One more on Gilman - I wrote in the history section how she provided a list of decadent fin de siecle authors which gave the era more of a Sally Pendrick spin for me. To be fair she says Oscar Wilde was only put on trial for homosexuality as a high class scapegoat. But she became more prudish compared to the younger (LillianMoss) generation. She advocated birth control to alleviate crowded slums of immigrants/poor, but she didn't like how it enabled the kids to be "selfishly" indulgent. Doctors sang the same tune.
Gilman thought the downfall of sober German philosophy was its "poisoning" by "sex mania" of Freud. When she moved to New York in 1900 (the HOTEL), Gilman was active in many clubs. But she didn't join a couple of famous ones in Greenwich Village because they purveyed the sex-psycology of Freud, encouraged weak pacifism, and were heavy with tobacco smoke. Those women and their cigars!
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Post by snacky on Jan 16, 2015 3:48:26 GMT
IKR, and Gilman wrote on the need for professional women to keep their own name! She also theorized on the idea of a "house husband". Her opposition to slavery to the kitchen was strong. She thought cooking, as well as childcare, should be handled by specialized division of labor. Of course that mens the educated middle class can justify their "intellectual labor" jobs that keep their hands clean while they lecture and judge the lowerorders. |
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Post by shangas on Jan 16, 2015 13:58:08 GMT
Finally got around to watching this episode. Honestly, I hated it.
Far too predictable. And the whole plot has been done to death. The whole Indiana Jones thing...eeeeeh...
Didn't like this at all. I hope for the love of God that the next episode is worth the wait.
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Post by snacky on Jan 16, 2015 20:35:50 GMT
Finally got around to watching this episode. Honestly, I hated it. Wow I'm surprised! I thought you would be relieved at the lack of shipprr fan service! Maybe it will grow on you... D: |
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Post by snacky on Jan 16, 2015 20:43:20 GMT
PLOT TWIST TO RULE THEM ALL:
Julia came home to find William dining with the fascinating Dr. Bajjali, so, being a modern finde siecle woman, she suggests a THREESOME.
William knew this was on Julia's kink list (along with making William squirm in moral horror) which is why he was so nervous at dinner. However, after Julia arrived conversation was witty and the ensuing threesome blew his mind. Thus all was well the next day.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 16, 2015 21:35:18 GMT
PLOT TWIST TO RULE THEM ALL: Julia came home to find William dining with the fascinating Dr. Bajjali, so, being a modern finde siecle woman, she suggests a THREESOME. William knew this was on Julia's kink list (along with making William squirm in moral horror) which is why he was so nervous at dinner. However, after Julia arrived conversation was witty and the ensuing threesome blew his mind. Thus all was well the next day. Damn. Looks like I wrote the fic wrong.  |
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Post by snacky on Jan 16, 2015 22:53:31 GMT
Damn. Looks like I wrote the fic wrong. ROfl- great evil minds think alike? |
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Post by snacky on Jan 16, 2015 22:56:16 GMT
btw, Julia was the first to agree we should all try to be a little more French.  |
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Post by ziggy on Jan 19, 2015 2:29:25 GMT
I enjoyed this episode, especially the location. The temple is the Foster Memorial, build in the 1930s, in Uxbridge, Ontario, which is about an hour north of Toronto. I went through it a number of years ago. There is more information about it in the Making of video...... Cheers I went by there a while back and promised to pay a proper visit. I haven’t done so but I will make another effort to visit this summer. It’s a beautiful place. |
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Post by voltaire63 on Jan 19, 2015 14:41:42 GMT
I'm new here, but I did read that Julia was not in Temple of Death more because Helene had a bike accident and had to be written out.
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