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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 15, 2015 12:31:13 GMT
- loved the visual and other special effects in this episode..the temple, the traps, spikes, blades, fire and the ball of course  - I liked the Iris character previously and in this episode but did not like her overt flirting or whatever it was that was supposed to be happening. I mean Wm had trouble getting out the words when he was telling her he was married.....what's with that? Has she been working at the museum all these years and this is the first time he's spoken to her in all that time and she's jumping right back into googly eyes mode? Doesn't she read newspapers? - and yes. That phone call in the suite at dinner time. What was that?  I thought he was talking to the desk clerk for crying out loud! I wasn't expecting him to end it with a "love ya, babe!" or anything but really, that phone call had a wind chill of minus 20 c !! - so which employee or other guest at the hotel is going to be the first one to let the cat out of the bag to Julia that an exotic lady had dinner with William in their suite. Or does William fess up before he's busted? Oh, Television God...please let me be there for that scene (either scene actually) and more importantly---the aftermath  - the whole discussion about such a lack of Julia and Emily...spot on. There's no real storyline to let us understand why its happening so it just seems they want to make it a boys club. Yawn. The special effects were great fun! It was a good episode, and I want to love it, but I can't, for reasons explained previously.  I think Iris is supposed to hint at some sort of marital discord. I'm not saying problems, because I think that's too strong, but William wants to support Julia's suffragette activities, but he also can't help but feel ignored that he isn't her priority....they are still supposed to be newlyweds (and for all his modern thinking, he is still a bit of a traditionalist). This would be an interesting conflict-if it were explained in some fashion rather than just writing her out of the episodes. Unless writing her out of the episodes is on purpose... I thought she went to Chicago with the Egyptian exhibit-but I guess she returned. There was always some chemistry between them so it doesn't surprise me that they naturally fell back into that habit, and William's feeling a little neglected-meanwhile there's an attractive, beautiful woman who is paying attention to him... The formality of that phone call though...does this mean that William's hurt, or was he being supernervous/awkward talking to Julia around Iris. Does Julia find out about Iris being in their hotel suite? Does William tell her out of guilt, or doesn't mention it out of guilt? I suspect he doesn't tell her at all, because he's uncomfortable about the whole thing and he's afraid she's going to psychoanalyze him about it. This would have been some nice angst if Julia's absences were explained. Plus, yes, teenage fangirls-just because you're happily married doesn't mean that you cease to be attracted to others. It happens-being honorable means you remember your vows-not that you don't flirt with another person ever again. Flirting is fun! I'm not devastated that William was attracted to her-it means William is human. I hope the absences are explained in some fashion in the next couple of episodes-and the ladies are reintegrated back into the show soon. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 15, 2015 12:53:11 GMT
Butterflies - I like to imagine that George assisted William in a situation where William was intimidated by some butterflies, lol. George has been William's wingman for a loooooooooong time.  Of it's a psychic lucky guess. Maybe George inherited sharp women's intuition from his Aunts?
Dinner flirting - I actually liked it. William was attracted to Iris before, and he can't just turn it off now. That's why he's so uncomfortable being alone with her: he wants a chaperone to appease his own conscience about it. I think the phone call was chilly because William expected Julia to "rescue" him from this situation, and he understood the ramifications were he would have to explain dining alone with a beautiful woman later. He was pretty gracious to both Julia and Dr. Bajjali under the circumstances!
My theory is William mentioned Dr. Bajjali when Julia got home that night, but probably everything after that led to some misunderstanding because Julia then felt insecure. At the same time William was probably extra-horny and extra-guilty - not sure how that would play out, especially if an earlier fight put him on the couch. Maybe it means high-octane make up sex, lol.
By the way - were they eating dinner in their suite, or were they eating dinner in the parlor of the hotel? The 2 tables seemed generous furniture-wise for the suite. I guess the phone call proves in their suite.
Regarding the "look" - I believe lovemondays claims to have it! That was a great scene in the show where Julia showed those young ladies that she had it going on.
I'm also curious as to how George found out about butterflies? Lucky guess? Or, he's pretty perceptive-is this something he picked up on while they were in the field on some case.... "Interesting...the Detective becomes unnerved around butterflies" Exactly about the dinner flirting-chemistry is chemistry, and it doesn't go away because you're married to someone else. But, knowing William, something tells me he didn't tell Julia. He feels guilty and ashamed about it and being repressed like he is, I doubt he mentioned it. William's old insecurities about Julia may also make a comeback in some form. I hope they don't sweep this under the rug... They were definitely in their suite...hence William's nervousness and later guilt (hopefully) about being alone with a beautiful woman in a hotel room-it wouldn't look good even today. I'll have to rewatch that scene with Julia and Lillian. I've seen it twice, but I can't quite bring myself to watch it again. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 15, 2015 15:54:36 GMT
- ok, so how did George know about Wm being afraid of butterflies? I thought only Julia aware of that. I don't recall...And I love how Wm's y voice was barely a squeak when he tried to get George to shut up about it. - loved the visual and other special effects in this episode..the temple, the traps, spikes, blades, fire and the ball of course - I liked the Iris character previously and in this episode but did not like her overt flirting or whatever it was that was supposed to be happening. I mean Wm had trouble getting out the words when he was telling her he was married.....what's with that? Has she been working at the museum all these years and this is the first time he's spoken to her in all that time and she's jumping right back into googly eyes mode? Doesn't she read newspapers? - and yes. That phone call in the suite at dinner time. What was that? I thought he was talking to the desk clerk for crying out loud! I wasn't expecting him to end it with a "love ya, babe!" or anything but really, that phone call had a wind chill of minus 20 c !! - so which employee or other guest at the hotel is going to be the first one to let the cat out of the bag to Julia that an exotic lady had dinner with William in their suite. Or does William fess up before he's busted? Oh, Television God...please let me be there for that scene (either scene actually) and more importantly---the aftermath - so when Murdoch ran after Steven onto the edge of the cliff...there was a heart stopping second when I thought Steven was going to run up to William and plant a big kiss on him before he took the dive. Then it cut to William calling out "Noooooooooo". Really creepy deja vu all over again. -Remember the "look" moms used to give you when you were acting up in public? Could stop you dead in your tracks without a word being spoken. Butterflies - I like to imagine that George assisted William in a situation where William was intimidated by some butterflies, lol. George has been William's wingman for a loooooooooong time. Of it's a psychic lucky guess. Maybe George inherited sharp women's intuition from his Aunts? Dinner flirting - I actually liked it. William was attracted to Iris before, and he can't just turn it off now. That's why he's so uncomfortable being alone with her: he wants a chaperone to appease his own conscience about it. I think the phone call was chilly because William expected Julia to "rescue" him from this situation, and he understood the ramifications were he would have to explain dining alone with a beautiful woman later. He was pretty gracious to both Julia and Dr. Bajjali under the circumstances! My theory is William mentioned Dr. Bajjali when Julia got home that night, but probably everything after that led to some misunderstanding because Julia then felt insecure. At the same time William was probably extra-horny and extra-guilty - not sure how that would play out, especially if an earlier fight put him on the couch. Maybe it means high-octane make up sex, lol. By the way - were they eating dinner in their suite, or were they eating dinner in the parlor of the hotel? The 2 tables seemed generous furniture-wise for the suite. I guess the phone call proves in their suite. Cliff - lol about the kiss vision! I didn't get that notion, but I'll be checking for it when I watch again. I don't think William would ever have any defense against that achilles heel.  Regarding the "look" - I believe lovemondays claims to have it! That was a great scene in the show where Julia showed those young ladies that she had it going on. I thought the butterfly thing was just supposed to be a joke. George doesn't know that Murdoch has a problem with it. Why would he be so mean as to advertise that fact to the entire city? Unless...George does know about it but doesn't know why he's afraid of them. Then I could see him writing about it. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 15, 2015 16:41:35 GMT
That's a good way to describe what it seems like. I don't tweet much myself but sometimes things come up on Twitter before anywhere else so I stay on there. If you can think of a few things to make people think by all means post them! How do you avoid addiction? That's the scariest part of Twitter for me: the temptation to sit there and just keep retweeting like you're responding to some Pavlovian stimulus... Simple, there's no real discussion going on. I can sit all day and discuss but I can't just make comments. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 15, 2015 16:56:04 GMT
About Julia's absence, Paul Aitken explained it on FB. Julia was supposed to be in several scenes including the dinner scene however Helene was injured in a bike accident and they had to re-write the scenes on the day. No conspiracy!! I'm relieved but still think the ladies have had short shrift in the last few eps notwithstanding Julia playing Mrs. Murdoch in Keystone Constables.
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Post by Hodge on Jan 15, 2015 17:11:36 GMT
Some random thoughts about this episode - Henry delivered a few of Higgins special dry one liners" to George: "It's just a cup...." and "...were they short on goblets in those days?" aaahhh, Higgins & George - ok, so how did George know about Wm being afraid of butterflies? I thought only Julia aware of that. I don't recall...was George in the room with Julia's patients when Wm made that statement? Did Julia tell Emily and she told George? And I love how Wm's y voice was barely a squeak when he tried to get George to shut up about it. - Brackenreid's boys...I agree with earlier thoughts that John is the same boy but now older, Bobby appears to be different but hey, those kids only show up once or twice a year on the show. I don't imagine the child actors are still at it or available, etc. over that period of time. Not surprising they would change a lot. -speaking of kids on the show...for those in Canada...the latest Canadian Tire commercial has "Simon" in it (the iced pick up truck) he's all decked out in touque and hockey gear but I'd know that grin anywhere and the Cdn tire guy of course was one of the brothers that was a play on the Ford bros last season - loved the visual and other special effects in this episode..the temple, the traps, spikes, blades, fire and the ball of course - I liked the Iris character previously and in this episode but did not like her overt flirting or whatever it was that was supposed to be happening. I mean Wm had trouble getting out the words when he was telling her he was married.....what's with that? Has she been working at the museum all these years and this is the first time he's spoken to her in all that time and she's jumping right back into googly eyes mode? Doesn't she read newspapers? - and yes. That phone call in the suite at dinner time. What was that? I thought he was talking to the desk clerk for crying out loud! I wasn't expecting him to end it with a "love ya, babe!" or anything but really, that phone call had a wind chill of minus 20 c !! - so which employee or other guest at the hotel is going to be the first one to let the cat out of the bag to Julia that an exotic lady had dinner with William in their suite. Or does William fess up before he's busted? Oh, Television God...please let me be there for that scene (either scene actually) and more importantly---the aftermath - so when Murdoch ran after Steven onto the edge of the cliff...there was a heart stopping second when I thought Steven was going to run up to William and plant a big kiss on him before he took the dive. Then it cut to William calling out "Noooooooooo". Really creepy deja vu all over again. - Lillian, yeck. Did notice that when the 3 of them were having tea and she made some sarcastic comment to Julia, Julia said nothing and turned to Emily. But then she did turn back to Lillian and gave her a "look" and then they all turned to leave. Julia had a whole lot to say to that woman with that look...she can speak with her eyes. Remember the "look" moms used to give you when you were acting up in public? Could stop you dead in your tracks without a word being spoken. - the whole discussion about such a lack of Julia and Emily...spot on. There's no real storyline to let us understand why its happening so it just seems they want to make it a boys club. Yawn. As several people have replied to this I'm not going to go over everything however have a couple of comments. I love Henry's ability to say just the right thing at just the right time. I don't know why people don't like his character. Butterflies.... I don't think George did know. It was a plot device that I'm sure he thought wouldn't apply in real life, little did he know that it was William's phobia. Brackenreid's boys.... The are both the same actors, I checked, they're both growing like weeds! "Simon" and the CT ad.... I saw that ad last year but of course we didn't know the young man then. I recognized him the first time I saw him this year I have to say I was never fond of Iris but I did like how she made William uncomfortable, she was definitely coming on to him in the hotel suite! After EEoE she sent the exhibit to Chicago and left for South America to explore the pyramids. Being back in Toronto wasn't explained and it seemed odd that she would conveniently be at the museum when William wanted to consult her. I loved the awkwardness of the phone call and resulting scene with Iris. William is such a dork at times I'm sure he didn't realize at first that she was coming on to him then it was too late when he was trapped in the hotel suite with her, he couldn't exactly go back on his invitation to dinner. I'm REALLY not liking this Lillian Moss woman. What a witch! See my other post about Julia's absence. Ok, so that was more than a couple of comments..... |
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Post by carco on Jan 15, 2015 17:16:36 GMT
About Julia's absence, Paul Aitken explained it on FB. Julia was supposed to be in several scenes including the dinner scene however Helene was injured in a bike accident and they had to re-write the scenes on the day. No conspiracy!! I'm relieved but still think the ladies have had short shrift in the last few eps notwithstanding Julia playing Mrs. Murdoch in Keystone Constables. Ahhh, poor Helene but obviously she was soon ok. But why wouldn't they just mention something to that affect upfront? Methinks they secretly enjoyed the twitter frenzy and angst that ensued.... passionate fans.  |
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Post by carco on Jan 15, 2015 17:32:03 GMT
Some random thoughts about this episode - Henry delivered a few of Higgins special dry one liners" to George: "It's just a cup...." and "...were they short on goblets in those days?" aaahhh, Higgins & George - ok, so how did George know about Wm being afraid of butterflies? I thought only Julia aware of that. I don't recall...was George in the room with Julia's patients when Wm made that statement? Did Julia tell Emily and she told George? And I love how Wm's y voice was barely a squeak when he tried to get George to shut up about it. - Brackenreid's boys...I agree with earlier thoughts that John is the same boy but now older, Bobby appears to be different but hey, those kids only show up once or twice a year on the show. I don't imagine the child actors are still at it or available, etc. over that period of time. Not surprising they would change a lot. -speaking of kids on the show...for those in Canada...the latest Canadian Tire commercial has "Simon" in it (the iced pick up truck) he's all decked out in touque and hockey gear but I'd know that grin anywhere and the Cdn tire guy of course was one of the brothers that was a play on the Ford bros last season - loved the visual and other special effects in this episode..the temple, the traps, spikes, blades, fire and the ball of course - I liked the Iris character previously and in this episode but did not like her overt flirting or whatever it was that was supposed to be happening. I mean Wm had trouble getting out the words when he was telling her he was married.....what's with that? Has she been working at the museum all these years and this is the first time he's spoken to her in all that time and she's jumping right back into googly eyes mode? Doesn't she read newspapers? - and yes. That phone call in the suite at dinner time. What was that? I thought he was talking to the desk clerk for crying out loud! I wasn't expecting him to end it with a "love ya, babe!" or anything but really, that phone call had a wind chill of minus 20 c !! - so which employee or other guest at the hotel is going to be the first one to let the cat out of the bag to Julia that an exotic lady had dinner with William in their suite. Or does William fess up before he's busted? Oh, Television God...please let me be there for that scene (either scene actually) and more importantly---the aftermath - so when Murdoch ran after Steven onto the edge of the cliff...there was a heart stopping second when I thought Steven was going to run up to William and plant a big kiss on him before he took the dive. Then it cut to William calling out "Noooooooooo". Really creepy deja vu all over again. - Lillian, yeck. Did notice that when the 3 of them were having tea and she made some sarcastic comment to Julia, Julia said nothing and turned to Emily. But then she did turn back to Lillian and gave her a "look" and then they all turned to leave. Julia had a whole lot to say to that woman with that look...she can speak with her eyes. Remember the "look" moms used to give you when you were acting up in public? Could stop you dead in your tracks without a word being spoken. - the whole discussion about such a lack of Julia and Emily...spot on. There's no real storyline to let us understand why its happening so it just seems they want to make it a boys club. Yawn. As several people have replied to this I'm not going to go over everything however have a couple of comments. I love Henry's ability to say just the right thing at just the right time. I don't know why people don't like his character. Butterflies.... I don't think George did know. It was a plot device that I'm sure he thought wouldn't apply in real life, little did he know that it was William's phobia. Brackenreid's boys.... The are both the same actors, I checked, they're both growing like weeds! "Simon" and the CT ad.... I saw that ad last year but of course we didn't know the young man then. I recognized him the first time I saw him this year I have to say I was never fond of Iris but I did like how she made William uncomfortable, she was definitely coming on to him in the hotel suite! After EEoE she sent the exhibit to Chicago and left for South America to explore the pyramids. Being back in Toronto wasn't explained and it seemed odd that she would conveniently be at the museum when William wanted to consult her. I loved the awkwardness of the phone call and resulting scene with Iris. William is such a dork at times I'm sure he didn't realize at first that she was coming on to him then it was too late when he was trapped in the hotel suite with her, he couldn't exactly go back on his invitation to dinner. I'm REALLY not liking this Lillian Moss woman. What a witch! See my other post about Julia's absence. Ok, so that was more than a couple of comments..... I agree, I think Higgins' responses to George's flights of fancy are hilarious but they often fly under the rador...wonder if there will be a Higgins episode some time? ( er, one that doesn't involve him being charged with murder and ultimately ending his future on the show.) Have to be careful what you wish for these days! Personally, I'd find it a bit of a stretch if George just happened to come up with a scenario that his character (that just happens to be just like William) is afraid of butterflies. Actually, George and William did work on a case involving butterflies (albeit it, dead ones - the one where Wm's brother turned up) and William didn't show signs of any fear then. Anyway, not a biggie....I was just kind of surprised when George brought it up! and apparently so was William! Brackenreid's boys...wow, "Bobby" looks different for sure but I did recognize "John". 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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 15, 2015 17:33:48 GMT
About Julia's absence, Paul Aitken explained it on FB. Julia was supposed to be in several scenes including the dinner scene however Helene was injured in a bike accident and they had to re-write the scenes on the day. No conspiracy!! I'm relieved but still think the ladies have had short shrift in the last few eps notwithstanding Julia playing Mrs. Murdoch in Keystone Constables. Ahhh, poor Helene but obviously she was soon ok. But why wouldn't they just mention something to that affect upfront? Methinks they secretly enjoyed the twitter frenzy and angst that ensued.... passionate fans. Ah that sucks! Probably explains why the next ep doesn't look like she's in it much either... I'll just have to write a fic about the dinner scene then.  |
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Post by carco on Jan 15, 2015 17:39:50 GMT
I'm still amazed that we have no backstory for Emily after all this time. The only other "regular" character like that is Henry Higgins....what's that say about Emily as a character? (Not counting Margaret as she isn't in a lot of episodes.) Yet publicity shots etc. have always presented her as one of the main characters. I can't believe it's all because Gemily didn't catch on as the new Jilliam. No one can predict or force on screen chemistry .... there has to be some other reason that the character seems to have de-railed somewhere along the line Well, Fallenbelle did it so I did too...signed up for twitter yesterday. At least I have some time before Monday to figure out how to send a tweet. Things I do for MM! Seems to be the only way they seem to want to hear from us so I'll comply. I'm GoldensRule3 ( for our 10 yr old boy we had to put down on Friday) but don't expect anything to "clever" at first! I suspect we're going to get some. We got the thing about Emily's father saying "doozy one". We probably don't have much background on Emily because the writers still haven't agreed on it! As someone who has dealt with a lot of social media, I should advise you to be very careful with Twitter. It's addictive, and I think it actively eats your braincells with each retweet. Try to limit your time on it. Thanks for the words of wisdom but it's pretty much just to have a say to MM. |
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Post by carco on Jan 15, 2015 17:42:59 GMT
Ahhh, poor Helene but obviously she was soon ok. But why wouldn't they just mention something to that affect upfront? Methinks they secretly enjoyed the twitter frenzy and angst that ensued.... passionate fans. Ah that sucks! Probably explains why the next ep doesn't look like she's in it much either... I'll just have to write a fic about the dinner scene then. I just realized...poor thing had a "bike accident" while co-starring with Mr. Gadget? Hope he went easy on her! but given it was HJ the bike might have been a Harley-Davidson! |
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Post by carco on Jan 15, 2015 17:56:06 GMT
That is a very interesting list. Now it begs the question "who is responsible for the dramatic changes to the qualities of the show that so attracted us in the first place?" Your list seems to let Peter Mitchell off the hook somewhat. Carol Hay is probably my favourite writer. Now I'm going to have to go and 'rate the writers'  . Having thought about this I'm not sure it does let PM off the hook. It was he that brought in the new character and needed something to do with her, so he put her in the morgue. That bumped Julia out of the morgue and into what? Her own practice. She was no longer no longer a main character or necessary to the show. Julia, once an important original character was now demoted to someone that could be ignored and Emily was now the important character to the investigation. Making Julia a psychiatrist was a reasonable move to bring her back however she still wasn't necessary to the investigations. As Emily wasn't as important a character as Julia had once been that still left the ladies as secondary characters. Yes we did get quite a bit of Julia in S7&8 but she wasn't important to most of the storylines and that's what began the decline, IMNSHO! I'm now going to go back to my writers list to figure out who wrote the eps I dislike the most. I think we need to be careful about attaching blame to individuals......recent case in point: the Maple Leafs, they fired Randy Carlyle and they're STILL losing!!! I'm sure there was an overall need identified (way back when) that changes to the audience stats was in order for the show's future success. Still a work in progress plus the competition in any particular year is likely a factor. They film the show then when it airs all the months later the whole landscape for Monday nights may have changed. Actually getting all their ducks in a row is probably something they fantasize about! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 16, 2015 0:17:15 GMT
About Julia's absence, Paul Aitken explained it on FB. Julia was supposed to be in several scenes including the dinner scene however Helene was injured in a bike accident and they had to re-write the scenes on the day. No conspiracy!! I'm relieved but still think the ladies have had short shrift in the last few eps notwithstanding Julia playing Mrs. Murdoch in Keystone Constables. Ah, interesting. Well, it wasn't just this episode however, so I hope we gave them something to think about. Just curious, which group did you get this from? |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 16, 2015 0:48:24 GMT
About Julia's absence, Paul Aitken explained it on FB. Julia was supposed to be in several scenes including the dinner scene however Helene was injured in a bike accident and they had to re-write the scenes on the day. No conspiracy!! I'm relieved but still think the ladies have had short shrift in the last few eps notwithstanding Julia playing Mrs. Murdoch in Keystone Constables. Ah, interesting. Well, it wasn't just this episode however, so I hope we gave them something to think about. Just curious, which group did you get this from? Murdoch Mysteries Season 7 Discussion Page, actually it's now Season 8 discussion page. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 16, 2015 2:33:01 GMT
Kindle mode again - random replies to all comments.
Yes to Henry episode without killing him off. We lost a few familiar faces this year already!
George using his psychic powers to come up with butterflies - I'm down with that. In fact I'm sure the writers are hoping we will start a whole new research cult on this super power of George's. It makes a good running joke/meme.
Releived to hear the writer's didn't mean to cut Helene out of this ep. Now that they have, I hope they CAPITALIZE on the opportunity to raise questions about Julia's professional life. Also PLEASE make her bring up Dr. Bajjali at some point! Do we know for sure she died?
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I thought he was talking to the desk clerk for crying out loud! I wasn't expecting him to end it with a "love ya, babe!" or anything but really, that phone call had a wind chill of minus 20 c !!
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