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Post by monty151 on Feb 18, 2015 8:47:31 GMT
MM have never killed one of the main characters. Could Emily be the one.
I think killing of Emily might be dependent on whether or not Georgina wants to leave.
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 9:59:52 GMT
Especially since the show seems to be having some issues with integrating all the characters anyway, I'd rather they not bring another regular in to add to that problem. Agreed that she was more tolerable this ep, but I also don't want to see more of her. Bringing her in as a regular recurring guest star like Ms. B would be fine. I agree that something dramatic is going to happen, and my money is also in Emily/Lillian. I agree there are too many side characters, and Lillian could be a recurring guest like Mrs. B. Regarding something dramatic, I think it will be something big that involves multiple cast members. The finale is too important to get hung up on "side dishes". |
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 10:11:53 GMT
Agreed. I know the phrase "It's not you, it's me" is so cliched, but I do think it's true. When you really care for someone and you do your best for them to reciprocate, and they don't, it's second nature to second guess yourself and reflect where you went wrong. When truthfully, it may just be that they're not ready for a committed relationship, are immature, have issues that existed before you, etc. But that wisdom comes with age and experience, I think.  I didn't know what to make of Charlie's conversation with George. Saying Emily wouldn't date a constable was a putdown...but saying she might make "exceptions" would make George one of the "exceptions"...I could never tell whether Charlie was showing off/rubbing in his prowess with George or whether he was trying to be "one of the boys" with George and recruit his help with winning Emily. BTW, I am thirsting for some George The Man vid action. I have no idea what song needs to happen for this, though. On the one hand George The Man is the rock, the reliable, the responsible, the protector. On the other hand, George The Man is someone who is finding his groove and learning to strut - and I'd almost suggest Bruno Mars Uptown Funk except it's been played into the ground 100 zillion times on American radio. But you get the picture. The Stayin' Alive strut. Any song with a strut. For Emillian we could always whip out the traditional gay vid music like Possession or Constant Craving...hmm maybe this should go in the video thread. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 10:13:22 GMT
MM have never killed one of the main characters. Could Emily be the one. I think killing of Emily might be dependent on whether or not Georgina wants to leave. Ouch, we've been complaining about the writers marginalizing women, and now we're trying to marginalize Emily right off the show!  I am unconvinced that Lillian is evil or the harbinger of evil.  |
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Post by murdochic on Feb 18, 2015 12:39:17 GMT
I have just watched the ep once so far, and now, after reading all of your comments, I think I have to say this: I am disappointed in Emily. Yes, I think she was right to say that what she does outside of work is her own business to Brax. Kudos to her for deciding to go corset free. But when she goes to Lillian at the end and Lillian says, "I am not a toy", I think she should have paused there! It looks like this was a brash decision. Yes of course she has been curious and wondering up to now. And she knew what Lillian was hinting at. I just found the action of running to Lillian and kissing her without any preamble too abrupt. It is not a set up for a good outcome. Maybe this is what the writers intend, but it does not make the Emily character look mature enough to handle this kind of relationship at this time. Like many of you, I felt rubbed the wrong way by Lillian up to this episode, so I wonder if we are meant to accept that she won't be around for much longer. Then I hear that she was listed with the main cast members... I think the makers of this show like to mess with our heads. Many people felt "rubbed the wrong way" by Lillian, but I keep chiming in that this was "writer's error" - as in the audience wasn't meant to react SO negatively to Lillian. She was given certain character traits that that crossed badly with events on the show, especially when side characters have to be presented in short-hand. Because I haven't been as "rubbed the wrong way" by Lillian, I haven't seen her as "meant to be eliminated soon". I've been cheering on the relationship and hoping that it would grow. I wasn't surprised at all that the relationship advanced this week. Emily's confident "attack" on her new relationship makes me think she has had some exposure to such relationships before, or perhaps she has even "experimented" before. She seems to know exactly what she is doing. Anyway, I think if Lillian stops ragging on Julia about being married, she will become more approachable. However, I will repeat one more time that Lillian's position is historically valid for "young intellectual/radical women" of her era who believed that marriage not only enslaved women but had distorted their Darwinian evolution - i.e messing up their EUGENICS! Lillian's attitude is that Julia had the ability to be a woman of independent means, and she should have been a leader and a model of liberation. Instead she "sold out" and reproduced the same old pattern that had been deforming women and MAKING them the "weaker sex". This is where Lillian's rudeness comes from - the need for change and a sense of betrayal from people with the power to lead. No, I don't think Julia has ever experimented with women. I've never picked up that vibe from anything she's said. Julia is very modern thinking and empathetic, her being gay friendly isn't the only social issue where she's had opposing views to the norm of the time. I've never read her as anything but having had male lovers, MM won't have her revealing lesbian flings. They already had the often recurring Chief coming out as gay this season, add main characters Emily being bisexual and that's as far as they'll go. Lillian won't be made a regular, she has no connection to police work so she has no way to be mixed in with each story of the week. That's why you only occasionally see Mrs Brackenreid. I'm not expecting Lillian to be around in season 9 or at least most of it. Hopefully her exit will be her alive and off to do something good. MM have done tragic gay characters enough times. |
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Post by murdochic on Feb 18, 2015 12:42:00 GMT
Many people felt "rubbed the wrong way" by Lillian, but I keep chiming in that this was "writer's error" - as in the audience wasn't meant to react SO negatively to Lillian. She was given certain character traits that that crossed badly with events on the show, especially when side characters have to be presented in short-hand. Because I haven't been as "rubbed the wrong way" by Lillian, I haven't seen her as "meant to be eliminated soon". I've been cheering on the relationship and hoping that it would grow. I wasn't surprised at all that the relationship advanced this week. Emily's confident "attack" on her new relationship makes me think she has had some exposure to such relationships before, or perhaps she has even "experimented" before. She seems to know exactly what she is doing. Anyway, I think if Lillian stops ragging on Julia about being married, she will become more approachable. However, I will repeat one more time that Lillian's position is historically valid for "young intellectual/radical women" of her era who believed that marriage not only enslaved women but had distorted their Darwinian evolution - i.e messing up their EUGENICS! Lillian's attitude is that Julia had the ability to be a woman of independent means, and she should have been a leader and a model of liberation. Instead she "sold out" and reproduced the same old pattern that had been deforming women and MAKING them the "weaker sex". This is where Lillian's rudeness comes from - the need for change and a sense of betrayal from people with the power to lead. No, I don't think Julia has ever experimented with women. I've never picked up that vibe from anything she's said. Julia is very modern thinking and empathetic, her being gay friendly isn't the only social issue where she's had opposing views to the norm of the time. I've never read her as anything but having had male lovers, MM won't have her revealing lesbian flings. They already had the often recurring Chief coming out as gay this season, add main characters Emily being bisexual and that's as far as they'll go. Lillian won't be made a regular, she has no connection to police work so she has no way to be mixed in with each story of the week. That's why you only occasionally see Mrs Brackenreid. I'm not expecting Lillian to be around in season 9 or at least most of it. Hopefully her exit will be her alive and off to do something good. MM have done tragic gay characters enough times. They can't get rid of Emily, she's the coroner. Julia doesn't want to be that again, and they need one on the show. Plus, Georgina seems to love the show so I doubt she'd quit. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 17:03:30 GMT
They can't get rid of Emily, she's the coroner. Julia doesn't want to be that again, and they need one on the show. Plus, Georgina seems to love the show so I doubt she'd quit. It must be the curse of the Temple of Death - so much catastrophizing this year! Julia must die, Lillian must die, Emily must die...hey wait a minute, why musn't any of the guys die?!  My gut feeling is CBC needs to address the flaw in the day-by-day contracts that encourages PROTAGONIST actors to go hang out on other shows for a while. The resulting gaps apparently have an apocalyptic affect on fan analysis, especially where female actors are concerned.  |
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 17:11:36 GMT
MM have done tragic gay characters enough times. Yes, this was my only hesitation regarding introducing MM on the basis of What Lies Buried - this ending is sort of a cruel cliche. That's another reason I kind of hope Giles will come back because his expertise was needed on some big criminal case. (Hopefully no one will cry "Gillies!" or complain a great tragic plot was weakened by the "death" being undone). There are a LOT of potential leadership roles for energetic, radical women to fill at this time. Lillian can fill that "Nellie Bly" gap we've been talking about and get invited to (International!) conferences on the advancement of women. Women's suffrage and other issues of progress for women (as part of the general "progress of civilization") were worldwide issues at the time. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 18, 2015 17:45:44 GMT
MM have never killed one of the main characters. Could Emily be the one. I think killing of Emily might be dependent on whether or not Georgina wants to leave. When Georgina was called for the show she thought it was for a guest star role, she was surprised to find it was as a regular cast member. Since then she's married and her husband was working in NL on ROD. Whilst that has now finished he may still be working full time in NL and Georgina may have decided she'd rather be with her husband full time. I have to admit it if this is the case it would probably have been better if hubby had got a job in Toronto as there's more production going on there but who knows...? It wouldn't surprise me if Emily's on the way out. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 18, 2015 17:56:05 GMT
There are a LOT of potential leadership roles for energetic, radical women to fill at this time. Lillian can fill that "Nellie Bly" gap we've been talking about and get invited to (International!) conferences on the advancement of women. Women's suffrage and other issues of progress for women (as part of the general "progress of civilization") were worldwide issues at the time. Yes, please, Lillian go off to lots of international conferences on the advancement of women and women's suffrage. Travel the world and don't bother coming back to Toronto! I have never been so rubbed the wrong way by a MM character as I have Lillian Moss. I just cannot warm to her. |
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Post by lizmc on Feb 18, 2015 18:06:05 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me in the least...I think I had her nonchalantly confess to having been interested in a woman during her Paris honeymoon...she was trying to see if Murdoch had ever been interested in a man like that. It was all Guillaume's fault I think for bringing the topic up. Wonder if we'll ever see that guy again? Woot, I totally vote to bring Guillaume back, and I hope he suggests a wife swap just to freak William the hell out!   CC, we really do vibe on some stuff, don't we? That whole "we're all animals" speech seemed like Julia doth protest too much. From my historical studies, it seems like it was normal for European women to fool around. They were often penned up together in groups. It wasn't considered sinful, and men didn't object. They found it normal and even hot. There was the Greek model of Sappho to fall back on for lasting relationships. When such behavior did go beyond the pale, people struggled for the language to define why. (Usually it was because one partner was pretending to be a man). Lesbianism was only criminalized around the turn of the 20th century when the emerging field of psychiatry started defining "perversion" as opposed to "normal sexuality". And of course Freud made sexuality a center of psychological "health" in general. At the same time, as I mentioned in another post", the shrinking nuclear family converged with new ideals of "romantic love" - and suddenly the Church found a new raison d'etre - helping insecure people bully others about Family Values!  Well, if Emily does maintain her relationship with Lillian, she's going to have to find a way to keep it sequestered from her working life. If it becomes the least distraction at Station House 4, something will have to give.  Lesbianism was never illegal in Canada. We inherited our laws on homosexuality from Britain at Confederation. Sexual relations between women were not included, as Queen Victoria didn't believe they could happen. The threat to Emily is through the social mores of the period, which means she could still lose her job, but she wouldn't face the criminal action that Giles would face.
Cheers
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Post by lizmc on Feb 18, 2015 18:12:16 GMT
MM have never killed one of the main characters. Could Emily be the one. I think killing of Emily might be dependent on whether or not Georgina wants to leave. When Georgina was called for the show she thought it was for a guest star role, she was surprised to find it was as a regular cast member. Since then she's married and her husband was working in NL on ROD. Whilst that has now finished he may still be working full time in NL and Georgina may have decided she'd rather be with her husband full time. I have to admit it if this is the case it would probably have been better if hubby had got a job in Toronto as there's more production going on there but who knows...? It wouldn't surprise me if Emily's on the way out. Actually, since Republic of Doyle ended, Georgina's husband has been working in Los Angeles and I believe Georgina has been as well, at least part of the time. It could be that she is thinking of relocating, but I hope not......I like her character and I think there is a lot of opportunity for her character to grow........
Cheers
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Post by Hodge on Feb 18, 2015 19:16:50 GMT
When Georgina was called for the show she thought it was for a guest star role, she was surprised to find it was as a regular cast member. Since then she's married and her husband was working in NL on ROD. Whilst that has now finished he may still be working full time in NL and Georgina may have decided she'd rather be with her husband full time. I have to admit it if this is the case it would probably have been better if hubby had got a job in Toronto as there's more production going on there but who knows...? It wouldn't surprise me if Emily's on the way out. Actually, since Republic of Doyle ended, Georgina's husband has been working in Los Angeles and I believe Georgina has been as well, at least part of the time. It could be that she is thinking of relocating, but I hope not......I like her character and I think there is a lot of opportunity for her character to grow........
Cheers
I hadn't seen that as I'm not a fan of ROD and don't follow the actors. All the more reason for her to want out. It would be a shame but to be honest, other than Helene wanting out of the morgue, I didn't see a need for her character. Whilst I don't mind Emily I wouldn't miss her. |
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Post by lizmc on Feb 18, 2015 22:10:20 GMT
I hope she doesn't leave as I think that there is so much more that could be done with her character.....hopefully, she can work in both locations.......
Cheers
(Edit: Hey, this was my 100th post! Didn't take me nearly as long to reach 100 as Murdoch did.....) |
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Post by shangas on Feb 18, 2015 22:28:54 GMT
Not a bad episode, but a bit predictable. Am I the only one who strongly suspected before now, that Emily was a lesbian?
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