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Post by snacky on Feb 19, 2015 22:13:29 GMT
Absolutely not! I was pondering why you were thinking about Emily leaving the show, and and I had a complicated thought about this which involved grouping Emily with Lillian. I thought you might feel the need to exonerate yourself. You don't need to! You've been laying out your argument against Lillian! |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 19, 2015 22:18:29 GMT
Absolutely not! I was pondering why you were thinking about Emily leaving the show, and and I had a complicated thought about this which involved grouping Emily with Lillian. I thought you might feel the need to exonerate yourself. You don't need to! You've been laying out your argument against Lillian! I might add that I really would rather Emily didn't have a relationship with Lillian now I know more about her and don't care for her. I suspect she may lead Emily down the wrong path but that's not the sapphist path it's the radical path. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 19, 2015 22:27:20 GMT
It would be great to get a lot of the arguments against Lillian in the Lillian thread under the Emily category. That's where I plan to put my "pro" arguments later. It's too difficult for me to do on my lame little kindle right now. Central to my arguments will be the historical accuracy of Lillian's criticism of a woman of independent means getting married and secondly the validity of the radical protester as a tv character. If someone feels a new thread is needed to critique Lillian, let's start it in the Emily area to give Georgina a little more love. Someone else feel free to start a thread.  |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 19, 2015 22:35:27 GMT
It would be great to get a lot of the arguments against Lillian in the Lillian thread under the Emily category. That's where I plan to put my "pro" arguments later. It's too difficult for me to do on my lame little kindle right now. Central to my arguments will be the historical accuracy of Lillian's criticism of a woman of independent means getting married and secondly the validity of the radical protester as a tv character. If someone feels a new thread is needed to critique Lillian, let's start it in the Emily area to give Georgina a little more love. Someone else feel free to start a thread. I really don't care how historically accurate Lillian is, I was prepared to like her when we first met her however she will forever be in my bad books. I can't stand rudeness. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 19, 2015 22:50:14 GMT
An interesting historical question is after an era of Victorian propiety where everyone observed the pecking order with "sir" or "ma'am", did young people suddenly rebel with rudeness? What were the consequences?
Perhaps Shangas knows something...?
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Post by snacky on Feb 19, 2015 23:06:33 GMT
she may lead Emily down the wrong path but that's not the sapphist path it's the radical path. Emily also has a very strong personality, and Lillian might be more careful about observing the law in order to keep her. Love is a powerful shaper of character. |
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Post by lizmc on Feb 20, 2015 6:42:11 GMT
I hope she doesn't leave as I think that there is so much more that could be done with her character.....hopefully, she can work in both locations.......
Cheers
(Edit: Hey, this was my 100th post! Didn't take me nearly as long to reach 100 as Murdoch did.....) Georgina posted on Twitter that her Husband, Mark O'Brien, is going to be in the cast of an AMC series, Halt and Catch Fire, which from what I can gather is filmed in Atlanta.......hopefully, this doesn't mean Georgina moves on.......since the filming of MM coincided with the filming of ROD, they are used to being apart for a substantial part of the year already.......
Cheers
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 21, 2015 1:44:39 GMT
My reasons for not liking Lillian Moss have nothing to do with her sexual orientation, I saw that right from the start and was gung ho for Emily to explore a relationship with her. What I DO NOT like about Lillian is her attitude towards anyone that doesn't appear to agree with her let alone strongly disagree. She makes assumptions about people without any knowledge of them and thinks her way is the only way. She won't take advice from people that have been though tougher times than she where women are concerned. Apparently she was in an engineering programme at university. How did she get on that? Julia struggled to get on a medical programme which would be considered much more appropriate for a woman at that time and yet she dismisses Julia because she's appears too conventional. Once again she doesn't know Julia and what she had to go through to get where she is now both professionally and personally but she disses her as 'selling out' because she decided to marry a MAN. I might also add that I don't think Lillian Moss is 'out to do harm' as some people think, she's just a misguided woman with a grudge against society. My sentiments EXACTLY!! It's Lillian's abrasive, rude manner that have my dander up. I too couldn't care less about her sexual orientation. I'm fine with Emily experimenting. Think about it. Her fiance was emotionally abusive, George was more her buddy than a love interest and Leslie Garland was a Class A jerk. I'd be looking for alternatives too!! It just occurred to me that TPTB may have deliberately gone this route to generate buzz for MM. If so...it's working! |
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Post by snacky on Feb 21, 2015 2:00:46 GMT
My reasons for not liking Lillian Moss have nothing to do with her sexual orientation, I saw that right from the start and was gung ho for Emily to explore a relationship with her. What I DO NOT like about Lillian is her attitude towards anyone that doesn't appear to agree with her let alone strongly disagree. She makes assumptions about people without any knowledge of them and thinks her way is the only way. She won't take advice from people that have been though tougher times than she where women are concerned. Apparently she was in an engineering programme at university. How did she get on that? Julia struggled to get on a medical programme which would be considered much more appropriate for a woman at that time and yet she dismisses Julia because she's appears too conventional. Once again she doesn't know Julia and what she had to go through to get where she is now both professionally and personally but she disses her as 'selling out' because she decided to marry a MAN. I might also add that I don't think Lillian Moss is 'out to do harm' as some people think, she's just a misguided woman with a grudge against society. My sentiments EXACTLY!! It's Lillian's abrasive, rude manner that have my dander up. I too couldn't care less about her sexual orientation. I'm fine with Emily experimenting. Think about it. Her fiance was emotionally abusive, George was more her buddy than a love interest and Leslie Garland was a Class A jerk. I'd be looking for alternatives too!! It just occurred to me that TPTB may have deliberately gone this route to generate buzz for MM. If so...it's working! If they wanted to simply generate more buzz, they would have made Lillian a hot seductress and kept us on tenterhooks about it so we would talk about UST all day long. Making her so unpalatable as to have people demanding that she go as soon as possible, even if they wouldn't mind the sapphist relationship otherwise, seems more like a writerly miscalculation to me. Emily was also extremely rude to George. They might have been shooting for the same level of rudeness in Lillian, but then they overshot. Anyway, I want to start a thread about this in the Lillian area, because I'd like to see the writers dig their way out of this one, and they should get a focused look at what they are up against. |
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Post by carco on Feb 22, 2015 0:04:38 GMT
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Post by snacky on Feb 22, 2015 3:05:20 GMT
Ooh, bookmarked! I've been thinking about how remarkable it is that so many women work in MM. |
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Post by carco on Feb 22, 2015 15:54:29 GMT
Ooh, bookmarked! I've been thinking about how remarkable it is that so many women work in MM. It is dry reading but I was looking for info to satisfy my curiosity. One comment posted in relation to this episode (or rather, the last 20 seconds or so of this episode) was something along the lines of why are you showing a 2015 problem in a show about 1902? This paper doesn't address that "problem" outright but alludes to various bad behaviors developing in working "girls" in Toronto who are not living with family. Since I lived that very life in Toronto myself (at a much, much later date!) and having read some of Morley Callahan's books, for me it was an interesting read paper in that respect. |
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Post by lizmc on Jun 14, 2015 1:45:21 GMT
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Post by Jeannette on Dec 29, 2015 22:37:29 GMT
I thought I was the only one who has a thing for guys in vests with pocket watches. :-)
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Post by Hodge on Dec 29, 2015 23:22:55 GMT
I thought I was the only one who has a thing for guys in vests with pocket watches. :-) Nope! |
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