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Post by snacky on Oct 27, 2014 16:31:28 GMT
Ah, an American Tragedy, Dreiser-style. I don't watch it - mainly because I haven't had that channel for most of Mad Men's run, and now it's really too late to get into it. (unless you dangle another MM-style OTP)... I've never truly gotten into it, but it's still a very well-made, well thought out show. A little too tragic for my tastes, but I can understand why that's compelling for some folks. It's a little too real for me however-I prefer the charm of MM myself. But hey, that's okay. GoT isn't really my thing either, but I can't fault them for it's execution-it's also a carefully made show. Sorry, no OTP. Which raises the question...can you even cast or plan for an OTP, or are they organic? I hate to say it, but I think you can rig it. But a certain chemistry has to be there. For me, Emily/George shows you can't push it if that chemistry is not there. But also I think the MM writers shot themselves in the foot if they wanted Emily to be part of an OTP since they originally wrote her character as a sort of creepy, independent morgue lady. They needed to work on that character first. And then they needed the right "match" for that character. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 27, 2014 16:56:47 GMT
The ratings have been lower this season but I think that's because it's up against Gotham which started a couple of weeks sooner ... good move on their part. I watched the first two episodes of Gotham but it didn't catch my attention quite like MM and as soon as S8 started I was back. Unfortunately some people that perhaps watched MM before have stayed. Gotham is getting around 1.6M viewers, MM around 950K, last season it was around 1.4M. Still good ratings for Canada and MM is still top of CBC shows. Just out of interest Strange Empire is only around 250K. Just found this on TV, eh?: "CBC saw it’s top drama, Murdoch Mysteries, pull 1,029,000 on a Thanksgiving Monday. Strange Empire followed at 9 with 312,000." Perhaps MM is getting back to last seasons numbers. Unfortunately Canadians don't seem to think Canadian shows are very good, perhaps that's because some of them are too intelligent for the ever increasing numbers of intellectually bankrupt viewers. CBC is looking at getting more into online stuff but I'm not sure what that means right now, not sure they do. CBC has always been a complicated and contentious issue and successive governments (especially Conservative who feel the CBC is too liberal, small and capital L) have consistently de-funded them to the point they had to start commercials a few years back. Sad day that was! If you read the CBC mandate, www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/explore/mandate/ and the broadcasting act, laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/B-9.01/ you will see that they have an obligation that never decreases on an increasingly shrinking budget. It's an impossible situation for them. Ouch, re: Gotham. I apologize on behalf of America for that. Someone (maybe CC?) said the audience would be different, but I'm not so sure: Gotham is a very stylized show, and MM has a very broad audience - there may be some crossover there. Watch it get cancelled next year having done its damage in Canada. The Strange Empire numbers are interesting. As much fun as it is to shout "#crumpetgate!" - I don't think it's because of pissed off MM viewers. What is Strange Empire up against? Or is it really just too "strange" for viewers to enjoy? Maybe it's just bad. By the way, watching MM on a large screen is a very "strange" experience in itself! The offices are much brighter! Sadly the orange make up is much more orange. Perhaps it's the default vivid color settings on American flat screen TVs. Anyway, it was a very different experience! Also, seeing MM next to other TV shows on the big screen also made it seem all the more jarringly different. I hope viewers (who stay up until 1am...) will appreciate it! |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 27, 2014 17:32:35 GMT
Ouch, re: Gotham. I apologize on behalf of America for that. Someone (maybe CC?) said the audience would be different, but I'm not so sure: Gotham is a very stylized show, and MM has a very broad audience - there may be some crossover there. Watch it get cancelled next year having done its damage in Canada. The Strange Empire numbers are interesting. As much fun as it is to shout "#crumpetgate!" - I don't think it's because of off MM viewers. What is Strange Empire up against? Or is it really just too "strange" for viewers to enjoy? Maybe it's just bad. By the way, watching MM on a large screen is a very "strange" experience in itself! The offices are much brighter! Sadly the orange make up is much more orange. Perhaps it's the default vivid color settings on American flat screen TVs. Anyway, it was a very different experience! Also, seeing MM next to other TV shows on the big screen also made it seem all the more jarringly different. I hope viewers (who stay up until 1am...) will appreciate it! Gotham looks like a good show and if MM wasn't on I'd probably still be watching it but it didn't hold me like MM. The scenes all appear dark (lighting) to me and I can't stand that effect all the time. Never looked what Strange Empire was up against but it looks like it's Forever, Sleepy Hollow and Scorpion. Never seen any of them. It isn't bad, I've seen all the episodes so far but I find it a little too disjointed to follow along the way I watch it, i.e. half watching whilst on the computer. The only show I close my laptop for is MM. I don't think anyone is turning it off because of LE, it's not the programme's fault she's an idiot. Funny you should mention the orange tone to everything, when watching the older episodes, especially on a non HD channel everything looks much more orange, quite distracting really. |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 27, 2014 18:20:41 GMT
Ouch, re: Gotham. I apologize on behalf of America for that. Someone (maybe CC?) said the audience would be different, but I'm not so sure: Gotham is a very stylized show, and MM has a very broad audience - there may be some crossover there. Watch it get cancelled next year having done its damage in Canada. The Strange Empire numbers are interesting. As much fun as it is to shout "#crumpetgate!" - I don't think it's because of off MM viewers. What is Strange Empire up against? Or is it really just too "strange" for viewers to enjoy? Maybe it's just bad. By the way, watching MM on a large screen is a very "strange" experience in itself! The offices are much brighter! Sadly the orange make up is much more orange. Perhaps it's the default vivid color settings on American flat screen TVs. Anyway, it was a very different experience! Also, seeing MM next to other TV shows on the big screen also made it seem all the more jarringly different. I hope viewers (who stay up until 1am...) will appreciate it! Gotham looks like a good show and if MM wasn't on I'd probably still be watching it but it didn't hold me like MM. The scenes all appear dark (lighting) to me and I can't stand that effect all the time. Never looked what Strange Empire was up against but it looks like it's Forever, Sleepy Hollow and Scorpion. Never seen any of them. It isn't bad, I've seen all the episodes so far but I find it a little too disjointed to follow along the way I watch it, i.e. half watching whilst on the computer. The only show I close my laptop for is MM. I don't think anyone is turning it off because of LE, it's not the programme's fault she's an idiot. Funny you should mention the orange tone to everything, when watching the older episodes, especially on a non HD channel everything looks much more orange, quite distracting really. I've been watching Gotham (PVR'd so I can watch MM). I haven't decided if I like it yet. It's a very quirky show with the added benefit of the entire Batman fanbase. Not only is the lighting dark, so is the prevailing view of humanity. Enter hero, Detective James Gordon who is set to rise above all the corruption to get the bad guys but he has to pretend to be corrupt in order to succeed. I personally find the bleakness of the human condition in Gotham to be very depressing, hence I may abandon it. It occurs to me that MM embraces a much sunnier view of humanity. Yes there are bad people who do bad things. Sometimes the people who die may actually have deserved their fate. MM has not set Toronto to be a universally corrupt place. There is much goodness to be had despite the social and economic struggles all cities and societies face, regardless of the time frame. For me the difference between Gotham and MM is the same as darkness and light. I'm a moth to a flame. Talbotrail mentioned Forever. This is a very cool show that sits somewhere in between on the light-dark continuum. Dr. Henry Morgan is a coroner who is also a man out of time. Every time he dies he resurfaces in water. He is over 200 years old but doesn't look a day over 35. The writers do an interesting job of weaving the truths of his past life into clues to solving the current murder. He is William and Julia rather wrapped in one character. This show is much more to my taste and I'm not disappointed when comparing it to my favourite show ever! |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 27, 2014 18:39:21 GMT
I've been watching Gotham (PVR'd so I can watch MM). I haven't decided if I like it yet. It's a very quirky show with the added benefit of the entire Batman fanbase. Not only is the lighting dark, so is the prevailing view of humanity. Enter hero, Detective James Gordon who is set to rise above all the corruption to get the bad guys but he has to pretend to be corrupt in order to succeed. I personally find the bleakness of the human condition in Gotham to be very depressing, hence I may abandon it. It occurs to me that MM embraces a much sunnier view of humanity. Yes there are bad people who do bad things. Sometimes the people who die may actually have deserved their fate. MM has not set Toronto to be a universally corrupt place. There is much goodness to be had despite the social and economic struggles all cities and societies face, regardless of the time frame. For me the difference between Gotham and MM is the same as darkness and light. I'm a moth to a flame. Talbotrail mentioned Forever. This is a very cool show that sits somewhere in between on the light-dark continuum. Dr. Henry Morgan is a coroner who is also a man out of time. Every time he dies he resurfaces in water. He is over 200 years old but doesn't look a day over 35. The writers do an interesting job of weaving the truths of his past life into clues to solving the current murder. He is William and Julia rather wrapped in one character. This show is much more to my taste and I'm not disappointed when comparing it to my favourite show ever! Of all the superheros Batman was the one I was drawn to as a kid and I still prefer him to all others but ultimately I'm not a superhero fan and I don't care for the worlds that are created around them. I watched the first couple of episodes of Gotham knowing I would be tuning out or PVR'ing whilst watching MM. I ended up PVR'ing MM instead so I could re-watch any time I wanted. Guess that says everything about Gotham. On a side note I did enjoy Michael Keaton's Batman/Bruce Wayne and of course Jack Nicholson's Joker. Odd choice in MK but anyone can play Batman, you need an actor to play Bruce Wayne. Now I think of it I did see part of an episode of Forever, it didn't take long to figure out what was going on but it still didn't grab me. Truth be told I don't really watch much on TV and if MM isn't on I'm quite fine with the TV off but it's usually on until hubby goes to bed. The strange thing is he's less of a TV watcher than me, it must be a habit. I've liked shows before but not in the way I like MM, can't put my finger on why I'm so hooked but I can't resist it. IMO it's the best show that's ever been on TV. It will take an epic show to ever compare to it. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 27, 2014 18:51:03 GMT
It occurs to me that MM embraces a much sunnier view of humanity. Yes there are bad people who do bad things. Sometimes the people who die may actually have deserved their fate. MM has not set Toronto to be a universally corrupt place. There is much goodness to be had despite the social and economic struggles all cities and societies face, regardless of the time frame. This is also why I love MM. If I want corruption, I can turn to any channel of American TV and get that. I'm no Pollyanna - I'm still the "person in black" poetry-reader from college. As lovemondays knows, I appreciate tragedy and angst! But I also need a show that has a backbone of people wanting to do the right thing. Just because. |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 27, 2014 19:06:03 GMT
It occurs to me that MM embraces a much sunnier view of humanity. Yes there are bad people who do bad things. Sometimes the people who die may actually have deserved their fate. MM has not set Toronto to be a universally corrupt place. There is much goodness to be had despite the social and economic struggles all cities and societies face, regardless of the time frame. This is also why I love MM. If I want corruption, I can turn to any channel of American TV and get that. I'm no Pollyanna - I'm still the "person in black" poetry-reader from college. As lovemondays knows, I appreciate tragedy and angst! But I also need a show that has a backbone of people wanting to do the right thing. Just because. Awwww. Meet Snacky the deep, deep down romantic  . Doing the right thing just because...that's very Canadian. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 31, 2014 12:27:12 GMT
So, I was logged into my Netflix just now, and based on my previous viewing of Murdoch Mysteries, it recommended the following: various home improvement shows, real estate shows, Supernatural, Breaking Bad and Cupcake Wars.
This is a major classification problem. Netflix, while not perfect, isn't this schizophrenic normally.
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 31, 2014 13:50:20 GMT
So, I was logged into my Netflix just now, and based on my previous viewing of Murdoch Mysteries, it recommended the following: various home improvement shows, real estate shows, Supernatural, Breaking Bad and Cupcake Wars. This is a major classification problem. Netflix, while not perfect, isn't this schizophrenic normally. Wow! You'd think Netflix would at least direct you to Bones, Castle or some such. Major classification problem indeed. Eus posted the buzzfeed link on FB. Most of the comments, even from die-hard MM fans, stuck to tea and crumpets. I even posted a redirect to the main point but still not much. Grrrrr! Get with the program people...we're in real trouble if even the Murdochoholics won't get serious about this. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 31, 2014 14:04:53 GMT
So, I was logged into my Netflix just now, and based on my previous viewing of Murdoch Mysteries, it recommended the following: various home improvement shows, real estate shows, Supernatural, Breaking Bad and Cupcake Wars. This is a major classification problem. Netflix, while not perfect, isn't this schizophrenic normally. Wow! You'd think Netflix would at least direct you to Bones, Castle or some such. Major classification problem indeed. Eus posted the buzzfeed link on FB. Most of the comments, even from die-hard MM fans, stuck to tea and crumpets. I even posted a redirect to the main point but still not much. Grrrrr! Get with the program people...we're in real trouble if even the Murdochoholics won't get serious about this. At the risk of sounding like an elitist snob, there's the old adage, "the masses are asses". But seriously, I've liked the main FB page and that's it. My golden rule is never to read the comments, because while I'm sure the vast majority of folk there are fine, there's always enough idiots complaining about a fan vid that the music wasn't right, etc. and picking it apart and complaining about it as though they'd do better or even anything at all. I swear, this is why we can't have nice things.  American Thanksgiving is coming up soon, so I'll state that one of the things I'm thankful for is finding this wonderful group of ladies and gentlemen who make this fun show even more so. |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 31, 2014 14:20:41 GMT
Wow! You'd think Netflix would at least direct you to Bones, Castle or some such. Major classification problem indeed. Eus posted the buzzfeed link on FB. Most of the comments, even from die-hard MM fans, stuck to tea and crumpets. I even posted a redirect to the main point but still not much. Grrrrr! Get with the program people...we're in real trouble if even the Murdochoholics won't get serious about this. At the risk of sounding like an elitist snob, there's the old adage, "the masses are asses". But seriously, I've liked the main FB page and that's it. My golden rule is never to read the comments, because while I'm sure the vast majority of folk there are fine, there's always enough idiots complaining about a fan vid that the music wasn't right, etc. and picking it apart and complaining about it as though they'd do better or even anything at all. I swear, this is why we can't have nice things. American Thanksgiving is coming up soon, so I'll state that one of the things I'm thankful for is finding this wonderful group of ladies and gentlemen who make this fun show even more so. I agree with you about FB comments generally, but I was very interested to see the response. What floored my was the lack of response to the point of the manifesto. I didn't see any negative comments per se. They just blathered on about T and C, missing the point entirely. You're right about all the negativity. The relative anonymity of FB and other social media seems to bring out the negative Nellies and bullies in people. I'm choosing to post minimally on FB because of all the haters. They aren't interested in discussion or healthy debate. They are strictly I'm right-fighters. I feel the same way about this group too! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 31, 2014 14:36:44 GMT
At the risk of sounding like an elitist snob, there's the old adage, "the masses are asses". But seriously, I've liked the main FB page and that's it. My golden rule is never to read the comments, because while I'm sure the vast majority of folk there are fine, there's always enough idiots complaining about a fan vid that the music wasn't right, etc. and picking it apart and complaining about it as though they'd do better or even anything at all. I swear, this is why we can't have nice things. American Thanksgiving is coming up soon, so I'll state that one of the things I'm thankful for is finding this wonderful group of ladies and gentlemen who make this fun show even more so. I agree with you about FB comments generally, but I was very interested to see the response. What floored my was the lack of response to the point of the manifesto. I didn't see any negative comments per se. They just blathered on about T and C, missing the point entirely. You're right about all the negativity. The relative anonymity of FB and other social media seems to bring out the negative Nellies and bullies in people. I'm choosing to post minimally on FB because of all the haters. They aren't interested in discussion or healthy debate. They are strictly I'm right-fighters. I feel the same way about this group too! T and C?  |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 31, 2014 14:43:21 GMT
I agree with you about FB comments generally, but I was very interested to see the response. What floored my was the lack of response to the point of the manifesto. I didn't see any negative comments per se. They just blathered on about T and C, missing the point entirely. You're right about all the negativity. The relative anonymity of FB and other social media seems to bring out the negative Nellies and bullies in people. I'm choosing to post minimally on FB because of all the haters. They aren't interested in discussion or healthy debate. They are strictly I'm right-fighters. I feel the same way about this group too! T and C? Tea and crumpets!  |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 31, 2014 15:16:36 GMT
T and C? Tea and crumpets! Which I have to admit I'm quite happy to embrace. Turning around the idiots comments and embracing them is a slap in the face. I had considered posting the link to the manifesto on Twitter but I don't really post much on there, mainly just keep up with what's going on as you sometimes get tidbits that don't make it to fb until later. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 31, 2014 18:58:10 GMT
So, I was logged into my Netflix just now, and based on my previous viewing of Murdoch Mysteries, it recommended the following: various home improvement shows, real estate shows, Supernatural, Breaking Bad and Cupcake Wars. This is a major classification problem. Netflix, while not perfect, isn't this schizophrenic normally. Wow! You'd think Netflix would at least direct you to Bones, Castle or some such. Major classification problem indeed. Eus posted the buzzfeed link on FB. Most of the comments, even from die-hard MM fans, stuck to tea and crumpets. I even posted a redirect to the main point but still not much. Grrrrr! Get with the program people...we're in real trouble if even the Murdochoholics won't get serious about this. This happened when I tried the Reddit "If you like this..." thread as well. People made totally inappropriate connections from Murdoch Mysteries because they had never seen Murdoch Mysteries, and they were working from a hypothesis based on its title and collective memory about that "type" of show. On Reddit they indeed came up with the PBS "tea and crumpets" mystery - fail. On Netflix, the problem is probably more of tagging. Not enough people have tagged Murdoch Mysteries appropriately for its recommendation engine to be able to work properly. The same would hold true if you're getting the wrong associated recommendations on Amazon. If you want to help with this, find out how to "tag" Murdoch Mysteries and add some tags that might get it out of the PBS category - maybe "quirky" or "cult". Also, try putting a tag like "unique" on it, and see what associations that gets ("unique" is never "unique" when it comes to recommendation engines...). |
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