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Post by Hodge on Feb 15, 2015 0:09:26 GMT
I watched The Incurables on mute earlier today and skipped through to all the scenes with Yannick and I thought I saw a distance in ALL the scenes not just the ones with Helene. I'm not sure if this was intentional or not, William's demeanor in this ep is off, I can't put my finger on it, he doesn't smile his speech is detached. He seems 'out of sorts'. The only scene with any warmth is where he puts his arm around Julia after the kids and he seemed his usual caring self then. Didn't Yannick get hurt somehow during one of the filmings? Maybe it was while climbing over the fence of the asylum? I remember he posted on Twitter when he had to go home for the rest of the day. Anyway, maybe he was spaced out on some pain pills, lol. Yes I do remember him being in pain.
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Post by snacky on Feb 15, 2015 0:22:15 GMT
Just chiming in too say I was at the screening too. Yannick and Helene seemed to get along just fine me. I have been to a few fan events and the whole entire cast seems to enjoy one another's company and get along well. Helene and Yannick may not be close friends off set, but they are two very different people with very different lives. Are we all equally close with the people we work with? No! Does that mean we do not like them or do not get along with them? Again - no! I think each of the writers of MM have different views on what makes a romantic couple. They have a lot of stories they are trying to tell, and need to find a balance between mystery, romance, story etc etc etc. I agree William and Julia have been somewhat lacking in the romance department but also believe there have been nice tidbits throughout. These types of threads with references to actors not getting along, and inferences about actors sexuality is what leads to rumors and nasty gossip. It is a fairly well known fact that Helene is extremely private. Even if she is gay so what. She is a talented enough actress to play being in love. lol, thank you once more for your mysterious input. Regarding your first and last paragraph about the actors personal lives, I think we've all drawn that same conclusion, and we've also been trying to avoid getting into the National Enquirer line of speculation. We're just struggling to interpret the distance we've seen in the performance, and interview body language only came into it because of our French forum participants. Given my knowledge of everyone here, I can't imagine the conversation getting into the actors personal lives any more than it already has, and I think it's been kept within the bounds of what the actors themselves put out there in interviews. Regarding the writers having "different views" and dealing out the romance in "tidbits" - perhaps that approach is leading to confusion, if not bible chaos, and that is what is leading to all the forum griping now? Character development is a linear phenomenon, and the fans are struggling to put the "different views" of the writers into one consistent story.
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Post by snacky on Feb 15, 2015 0:29:59 GMT
Whatever is going on with the actors off screen (and I myself, could care less), to allow it to permeate on-screen (as some seem to suggest) would be unprofessional beyond belief. If one can't "act" a part then one shouldn't be an "actor".
This is a board with a lot of passionate viewers and I get that and I understand cultures look at the same thing with different eyes but IMHO this line of discussion feels uncomfortable to me and I feel like it's heading nowhere good.
Something is ruining the TV show that I love watching. And yes, I can't help thinking the work of the actors is compromised/jeopardized by a disagreement between them and that's unprofessional. But I should keep in mind, acting/being an actor is a hard work and not a work like the others. So I suppose that sometimes, it's hard for them to get past their resentment. After all, they are only human. I also realize how different my point of view about this TV show is than yours. And I don't like how my opinions are ruining the forum -surely because I do not hesitate to say openly that I'm often disappointed- but it's not my intention. fan, please do not think your opinion is ruining the forum! I think there was a misunderstanding here because people didn't understand how much you rely body language for viewing. Your written English has improved a lot! Your opinion counts as much as anyone else's here, and I for one am extremely interested in how people from other countries view MM. I see people from France often visit but don't post. I'm glad you go ahead and go for it! I also agree with your opinion about the physical distance. Now we are having an open discussion about the reason for it. Actually I should mention some people here think we are over-analyzing it, and that distance is no big deal. But I think enough people did notice it for it to be worth wondering about, so don't think you are "ruining" anything by offering your opinion about it!
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Post by snacky on Feb 15, 2015 0:40:00 GMT
Not sure where you get that Brits are reserved, we'll talk and get along with anyone! There is admittedly a certain class that are reserved but it's not a general thing. When I was a kid if someone got on the bus and there was only one other person on they'd sit with them. Doesn't happen now but it's not because they're reserved. Not sure what it is with Canadian men, actually North American men, I do find there's more machismo here and that's something I just don't get. Men here want a SON, Englishmen, at least when I was there, were happy to have a daddy's girl, mothers wanted a mummy's boy. When I was expecting my husband would always say "if we have a girl..." I had to remind him we might have a boy! Brits are much more reserved than people in the US who tend to be outgoing in a fake kind of way since they are always pushed to network and be "visible" and smile and be positive, etc. Plus 90% of our college system has devolved into party schools. Canadian men want a son? I don't think American men want kids at all, hahaha.
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Post by Hodge on Feb 15, 2015 0:43:53 GMT
Not sure where you get that Brits are reserved, we'll talk and get along with anyone! There is admittedly a certain class that are reserved but it's not a general thing. When I was a kid if someone got on the bus and there was only one other person on they'd sit with them. Doesn't happen now but it's not because they're reserved. Not sure what it is with Canadian men, actually North American men, I do find there's more machismo here and that's something I just don't get. Men here want a SON, Englishmen, at least when I was there, were happy to have a daddy's girl, mothers wanted a mummy's boy. When I was expecting my husband would always say "if we have a girl..." I had to remind him we might have a boy! Brits are much more reserved than people in the US who tend to be outgoing in a fake kind of way since they are always pushed to network and be "visible" and smile and be positive, etc. Plus 90% of our college system has devolved into party schools. Canadian men want a son? I don't think American men want kids at all, hahaha. Maybe Brits are more reserved than Americans but they certainly weren't what I would consider reserved when I lived there. I think I'm pretty typical and I think lovemondays would agree I'm not particularly reserved!
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Post by lizmc on Feb 15, 2015 1:17:28 GMT
Brits are much more reserved than people in the US who tend to be outgoing in a fake kind of way since they are always pushed to network and be "visible" and smile and be positive, etc. Plus 90% of our college system has devolved into party schools. Canadian men want a son? I don't think American men want kids at all, hahaha. Maybe Brits are more reserved than Americans but they certainly weren't what I would consider reserved when I lived there. I think I'm pretty typical and I think lovemondays would agree I'm not particularly reserved! Having travelled to the UK many times, for both business and pleasure, I see what you are saying......the big difference I've noticed is that the English pubs are much more relaxed and more of a community centre, so you do end up striking up conversations with people of either gender, especially in neighbourhood or country pubs at quieter times of day. Here, especially in Ontario, we seem to still have a prohibition era attitude, and while we have tried to reproduce ersatz pubs, people are much less inclined to chat to strangers and more people seem to be there solely for the purpose of drinking.......in Quebec, as well, people tend to be more relaxed in social settings.....
Cheers
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 15, 2015 1:25:29 GMT
Just chiming in too say I was at the screening too. Yannick and Helene seemed to get along just fine me. I have been to a few fan events and the whole entire cast seems to enjoy one another's company and get along well. Helene and Yannick may not be close friends off set, but they are two very different people with very different lives. Are we all equally close with the people we work with? No! Does that mean we do not like them or do not get along with them? Again - no! I think each of the writers of MM have different views on what makes a romantic couple. They have a lot of stories they are trying to tell, and need to find a balance between mystery, romance, story etc etc etc. I agree William and Julia have been somewhat lacking in the romance department but also believe there have been nice tidbits throughout. These types of threads with references to actors not getting along, and inferences about actors sexuality is what leads to rumors and nasty gossip. It is a fairly well known fact that Helene is extremely private. Even if she is gay so what. She is a talented enough actress to play being in love. I COMPLETELY agree with you. Helene Joy won a Gemini for her work as a married, cancer surviving, mother and mother to be in Durham County. She can do ANYTHING. She has my utmost respect. I was clearly expressing an opinion, not spreading gossip. I have NO knowledge one way or another. Helene manages to be extremely private in a very public world. Kudos to her!! You are correct that it is a very difficult job finding the appropriate balance of mystery/character development/social issues. One of the reasons we are so passionate about MM is the excellent job they do with this. As a group, the members of this forum do a great job of debating issues, and admittedly running off into the fantastical. You also don't see any of us running our mouths on FB or Twitter.
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Post by Hodge on Feb 15, 2015 1:27:20 GMT
Maybe Brits are more reserved than Americans but they certainly weren't what I would consider reserved when I lived there. I think I'm pretty typical and I think lovemondays would agree I'm not particularly reserved! Having travelled to the UK many times, for both business and pleasure, I see what you are saying......the big difference I've noticed is that the English pubs are much more relaxed and more of a community centre, so you do end up striking up conversations with people of either gender, especially in neighbourhood or country pubs at quieter times of day. Here, especially in Ontario, we seem to still have a prohibition era attitude, and while we have tried to reproduce ersatz pubs, people are much less inclined to chat to strangers and more people seem to be there solely for the purpose of drinking.......in Quebec, as well, people tend to be more relaxed in social settings.....
Cheers
Yes lizmc, pubs in England are for socializing, drinking is secondary and many people will nurse one drink all evening. In Canada people tend to socialize in their homes, however British houses are small and there's not enough room to have people over so they all gather in the pub and you don't need to be invited. There were regularly at least 8 people sitting around our table at the 'local'. If you were on your own you'd sit at the bar and talk to the bartenders or others at the bar. Ontarian 'pubs' aren't authentic at all and I'd rather just avoid them. I might add that Scottish pubs are different and the aim is to drink rather than socialize, hotels are more like English pubs.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Feb 15, 2015 1:32:23 GMT
Maybe Brits are more reserved than Americans but they certainly weren't what I would consider reserved when I lived there. I think I'm pretty typical and I think lovemondays would agree I'm not particularly reserved! Having travelled to the UK many times, for both business and pleasure, I see what you are saying......the big difference I've noticed is that the English pubs are much more relaxed and more of a community centre, so you do end up striking up conversations with people of either gender, especially in neighbourhood or country pubs at quieter times of day. Here, especially in Ontario, we seem to still have a prohibition era attitude, and while we have tried to reproduce ersatz pubs, people are much less inclined to chat to strangers and more people seem to be there solely for the purpose of drinking.......in Quebec, as well, people tend to be more relaxed in social settings.....
Cheers
Good points all. Maybe this is why I tend to have more non-American friends (a lot of Brits tbh)... As I'm sure any Texan has told you, we're different from other Americans (really! ) in that a true Texan has no problem having lengthy conversations with perfect strangers. If we're waiting in a long line for something, we'll turn to you and discuss something. Same thing with conversations in bars...don't know you yet? Don't worry, it'll change soon! Other Americans do not do this, and plenty think we're strange for it, but it is what probably leads to the explanation "Texas Friendly". Note that I said true Texans...and not one of the mass influx of transplants who have relocated there in the past 20 years and are slowly changing the way things are.
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Post by Hodge on Feb 15, 2015 1:34:08 GMT
Having travelled to the UK many times, for both business and pleasure, I see what you are saying......the big difference I've noticed is that the English pubs are much more relaxed and more of a community centre, so you do end up striking up conversations with people of either gender, especially in neighbourhood or country pubs at quieter times of day. Here, especially in Ontario, we seem to still have a prohibition era attitude, and while we have tried to reproduce ersatz pubs, people are much less inclined to chat to strangers and more people seem to be there solely for the purpose of drinking.......in Quebec, as well, people tend to be more relaxed in social settings.....
Cheers
Good points all. Maybe this is why I tend to have more non-American friends (a lot of Brits tbh)... As I'm sure any Texan has told you, we're different from other Americans (really! ) in that a true Texan has no problem having lengthy conversations with perfect strangers. If we're waiting in a long line for something, we'll turn to you and discuss something. Same thing with conversations in bars...don't know you yet? Don't worry, it'll change soon! Other Americans do not do this, and plenty think we're strange for it, but it is what probably leads to the explanation "Texas Friendly". Note that I said true Texans...and not one of the mass influx of transplants who have relocated there in the past 20 years and are slowly changing the way things are. Sounds like Brits, you can't stand in a line long without striking up a conversation.
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 15, 2015 1:35:46 GMT
Good points all. Maybe this is why I tend to have more non-American friends (a lot of Brits tbh)... As I'm sure any Texan has told you, we're different from other Americans (really! ) in that a true Texan has no problem having lengthy conversations with perfect strangers. If we're waiting in a long line for something, we'll turn to you and discuss something. Same thing with conversations in bars...don't know you yet? Don't worry, it'll change soon! Other Americans do not do this, and plenty think we're strange for it, but it is what probably leads to the explanation "Texas Friendly". Note that I said true Texans...and not one of the mass influx of transplants who have relocated there in the past 20 years and are slowly changing the way things are. Sounds like Brits, you can't stand in a line long without striking up a conversation. Add any group of women in a doctor's office to that list .
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Post by Hodge on Feb 15, 2015 1:36:34 GMT
Sounds like Brits, you can't stand in a line long without striking up a conversation. Add any group of women in a doctor's office to that list . Not my doctor's office!
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Post by lizmc on Feb 15, 2015 3:24:25 GMT
Good points all. Maybe this is why I tend to have more non-American friends (a lot of Brits tbh)... As I'm sure any Texan has told you, we're different from other Americans (really! ) in that a true Texan has no problem having lengthy conversations with perfect strangers. If we're waiting in a long line for something, we'll turn to you and discuss something. Same thing with conversations in bars...don't know you yet? Don't worry, it'll change soon! Other Americans do not do this, and plenty think we're strange for it, but it is what probably leads to the explanation "Texas Friendly". Note that I said true Texans...and not one of the mass influx of transplants who have relocated there in the past 20 years and are slowly changing the way things are. Sounds like Brits, you can't stand in a line long without striking up a conversation. One way Brits and Canadians are similar, though, is on public transit.....people will sit and stare at the same page of a newspaper to avoid talking to anyone......
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Post by Hodge on Feb 15, 2015 3:26:38 GMT
Sounds like Brits, you can't stand in a line long without striking up a conversation. One way Brits and Canadians are similar, though, is on public transit.....people will sit and stare at the same page of a newspaper to avoid talking to anyone...... These days anyway.
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Post by lizmc on Feb 15, 2015 3:29:05 GMT
Having travelled to the UK many times, for both business and pleasure, I see what you are saying......the big difference I've noticed is that the English pubs are much more relaxed and more of a community centre, so you do end up striking up conversations with people of either gender, especially in neighbourhood or country pubs at quieter times of day. Here, especially in Ontario, we seem to still have a prohibition era attitude, and while we have tried to reproduce ersatz pubs, people are much less inclined to chat to strangers and more people seem to be there solely for the purpose of drinking.......in Quebec, as well, people tend to be more relaxed in social settings.....
Cheers
Yes lizmc, pubs in England are for socializing, drinking is secondary and many people will nurse one drink all evening. In Canada people tend to socialize in their homes, however British houses are small and there's not enough room to have people over so they all gather in the pub and you don't need to be invited. There were regularly at least 8 people sitting around our table at the 'local'. If you were on your own you'd sit at the bar and talk to the bartenders or others at the bar. Ontarian 'pubs' aren't authentic at all and I'd rather just avoid them. I might add that Scottish pubs are different and the aim is to drink rather than socialize, hotels are more like English pubs. I really envy the Brits for being able to take dogs into pubs with them.....I'd love to be able to that (and Farley the Little White Scruffy Mutt wouldn't want to come home).....I've only been to Scotland a couple of times, but, yes, I noticed the atmosphere was different...
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