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Post by carco on Nov 1, 2015 14:45:21 GMT
When this episode started and I heard Julia talking to William about the snooty Empire Club event they were attending, my immediate thought was that Julia was being un-characteristically "catty". Then I realized that the episode began with a shot of the head of a beautiful Tiger (cat). The Brakenreid's are there and Margaret is chomping at the bit (or should that be "scratching at the post") to find out if Thomas is going to be accepted. Julia tells William that Margaret looks like the "cat who ate the canary" and William refers to the Inspector as the "canary-eater". Meanwhile, back to the Brakenreid's where the one fellow asks if the other fellow has let the "cat out of the bag" yet. It eventually dawned on me the next day, that there was this whole cat thing going on!! Sometimes there are so many layers to this show........ I think Margaret was supposed to be the canary eater whom the Inspector was trying to keep happy. Wonder why all the cat references.... Didn't exactly fit in with the rest of the ep. Btw, I think this is in the wrong thread. Thanks Hodge, you're right on both counts.
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Post by lea on Nov 2, 2015 2:02:42 GMT
So I just watched the Making Murdoch for this and they intended to write George & Emily back together........ lol.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 2, 2015 4:16:59 GMT
So I just watched the Making Murdoch for this and they intended to write George & Emily back together........ lol. i'm incredibly shocked
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Post by snacky on Nov 2, 2015 5:34:05 GMT
So I just watched the Making Murdoch for this and they intended to write George & Emily back together........ lol. Aw, seriously?
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Post by murdochic on Nov 2, 2015 12:00:45 GMT
That makes me even less of a fan of this episode. Kill off the lesbian so you can put the bisexual back with a man, the writers couldn't have been any more cliche. That is also another unpleasent trope that TV have done too many times. Now I want to hug Georgina for being the one to block this from happening by leaving.
I hope they never bring Emily back temporarily to put her with George, they just don't suit each other. Please writers, stop trying to force a relationship where there shouldn't be one. It's an injustice and unfair to both Emily and George. They could never realistically make each other happy.
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Post by Hodge on Nov 2, 2015 13:25:40 GMT
That makes me even less of a fan of this episode. Kill off the lesbian so you can put the bisexual back with a man, the writers couldn't have been any more cliche. That is also another unpleasent trope that TV have done too many times. Now I want to hug Georgina for being the one to block this from happening by leaving. I hope they never bring Emily back temporarily to put her with George, they just don't suit each other. Please writers, stop trying to force a relationship where there shouldn't be one. It's an injustice and unfair to both Emily and George. They could never realistically make each other happy. Actually I could see a situation where the two of them would get back together as they've both suffered loss and could take comfort in the fact that they know what the other has been through. Doesn't mean I want it to happen though!
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Post by murdochic on Nov 2, 2015 14:43:19 GMT
It would still have to be forced because they'd need to rewrite Emily's personality to make her a believable match for George. Otherwise she would always grow bored of him in the longrun, they aren't on the save wavelength. George hasn't suffered what Emily has, he could still be reunited with Edna in the future, Lillian was murdered. Emily's loss was bigger.
I care about both characters and they deserve more than each other. We've seen both of them be better matched with other love interests, so how can we really think they'd be the best outcome. It would feel so anticlimatic. IMO they should somehow bring Edna back for George, they were really good together. Or have a new love interest with her kind of personality.
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Nov 2, 2015 17:08:00 GMT
Ick. Killing your sole lesbian is bad enough, but planning for said lesbian's partner to fall into the arms of a man after her death is just in bad taste.
There's a good chance Emily will date a man at some point in her future, and that's perfectly fine, she has in the past, and I do believe her to be bisexual. But literally after her girlfriend was murdered? Bad, bad, bad.
Also, note the significant difference between the endings of George and Emily's separate romances- both of them fizzled out, but Edna's alive and Lillian's dead. :/
I'm glad they didn't go through with the George/Emily in the end, but I have to say, I'm still super disappointed in the way the show handled this storyline. I expected this, I figured maybe they would do better and surprise me, and I was let down.
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Post by snacky on Nov 2, 2015 19:31:05 GMT
I'm glad they didn't go through with the George/Emily in the end, but I have to say, I'm still super disappointed in the way the show handled this storyline. I expected this, I figured maybe they would do better and surprise me, and I was let down. I can't believe the writers even went there during brainstorming.
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Post by lea on Nov 2, 2015 19:32:14 GMT
One of the writers was in it and said in the back of their heads there would have been a moment in time where they would have brought them back together and "that chemistry was still very much there". I think that's pretty far fetched since there was none to begin with It's on youtube or MM's FB page www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdbmQdUJN-I
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Post by snacky on Nov 2, 2015 19:33:35 GMT
One of the writers was in it and said in the back of their heads there would have been a moment in time where they would have brought them back together and "that chemistry was still very much there". I think that's pretty far fetched since there was none to begin with It's on youtube or MM's FB page www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdbmQdUJN-IYeesh, what chemistry? That was the whole problem with Gemily. The sparks were swords glancing off each other.
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Nov 2, 2015 20:03:06 GMT
Yeah, agreed. There really was a lack of romantic chemistry between them. George and Emily had some fun moments, but those were moments that could easily have still occurred if they were just friends enjoying time together. No romance necessary.
Also, I always liked the idea of George and Emily's brief romance and subsequent breakup and friendship showcasing that relationships don't always last, that crushes can amount to nothing, that sometimes things just don't work out. They're both good people, but romantically, they didn't bring out the best in each other. They parted rockily because of that, but they were able to remain on good terms and eventually pursued different relationships. And that's okay! Not every relationship is serious, soulmate material. I don't know, I thought their breakup was important, and I didn't want that undermined.
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Post by tanhere on Nov 2, 2015 21:14:19 GMT
I was thrilled to hear the writers were thinking of bringing back Gemily. I hope that she occasionally returns and that the writers will reconnect the two down the road. They may not have had chemistry to a select few, but to the boat loads of others that ship them,that makes up for it. Also, he didn't mean that they would have reunited them right away. I wasn't a fan of Lillian but to have Emily move on with anyone man or woman so soon would have been awful. The last scene with Emily and George was so sad, and beautiful! They obviously care a great deal about each other and have a wonderful friendship. Sometimes it doesn't work out the first time but later in life they fall in love again and it clicks.There was a lack of maturity on both ends for these two but they have each grown. I really hope the writers make this happen one day. Here that Peter?!
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 2, 2015 23:08:44 GMT
One of the writers was in it and said in the back of their heads there would have been a moment in time where they would have brought them back together and "that chemistry was still very much there". I think that's pretty far fetched since there was none to begin with It's on youtube or MM's FB page www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdbmQdUJN-II am SO GLAD we won't have Gemily 2.0. I LOVE George and Emily as good friends but not as a couple. Their oddball personalities meshed beautifully as buddies and there was obviously deep affection between them as portrayed in their final scene but that does NOT have to translate into a romance. My one comment on the killing off the lesbian issue...she died because of a love triangle, an extremely common theme. Her sexuality was secondary to that. Let us not forget either that the writers killed off Darcy to open the door for W/J. It is simply a method (overused IMHO) for writers to get on with major story arcs. I never felt Lillian deserved to die but that event opened the door for the writers to give us far more of her backstory than would have happened if she had just sailed to London. I was very happy to have that extra depth of her character revealed. She makes a lot more sense to me now. Georgina's exit deserved an exceptional episode and I think the writers delivered it (except for the important bit about who killed the PI that ended up on the cutting room floor).
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Post by lizmc on Nov 2, 2015 23:21:11 GMT
One of the writers was in it and said in the back of their heads there would have been a moment in time where they would have brought them back together and "that chemistry was still very much there". I think that's pretty far fetched since there was none to begin with It's on youtube or MM's FB page www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdbmQdUJN-II am SO GLAD we won't have Gemily 2.0. I LOVE George and Emily as good friends but not as a couple. Their oddball personalities meshed beautifully as buddies and there was obviously deep affection between them as portrayed in their final scene but that does NOT have to translate into a romance. My one comment on the killing off the lesbian issue...she died because of a love triangle, an extremely common theme. Her sexuality was secondary to that. Let us not forget either that the writers killed off Darcy to open the door for W/J. It is simply a method (overused IMHO) for writers to get on with major story arcs. I never felt Lillian deserved to die but that event opened the door for the writers to give us far more of her backstory than would have happened if she had just sailed to London. I was very happy to have that extra depth of her character revealed. She makes a lot more sense to me now. Georgina's exit deserved an exceptional episode and I think the writers delivered it (except for the important bit about who killed the PI that ended up on the cutting room floor). Not to mention, the writer may have said they wanted to get George and Emily back together (and I hope it doesn't happen), but nowhere did he say they planned on killing Lillian off......Georgina's leaving the show forced their hand and they had to get rid of Lillian. There was no point to her character without Emily or the Suffragette story line and her murder allowed them to write a great episode for Emily's farewell.......
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