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Post by lovemondays on Nov 2, 2015 23:24:54 GMT
I am SO GLAD we won't have Gemily 2.0. I LOVE George and Emily as good friends but not as a couple. Their oddball personalities meshed beautifully as buddies and there was obviously deep affection between them as portrayed in their final scene but that does NOT have to translate into a romance. My one comment on the killing off the lesbian issue...she died because of a love triangle, an extremely common theme. Her sexuality was secondary to that. Let us not forget either that the writers killed off Darcy to open the door for W/J. It is simply a method (overused IMHO) for writers to get on with major story arcs. I never felt Lillian deserved to die but that event opened the door for the writers to give us far more of her backstory than would have happened if she had just sailed to London. I was very happy to have that extra depth of her character revealed. She makes a lot more sense to me now. Georgina's exit deserved an exceptional episode and I think the writers delivered it (except for the important bit about who killed the PI that ended up on the cutting room floor). Not to mention, the writer may have said they wanted to get George and Emily back together (and I hope it doesn't happen), but nowhere did he say they planned on killing Lillian off......Georgina's leaving the show forced their hand and they had to get rid of Lillian. There was no point to her character without Emily or the Suffragette story line and her murder allowed them to write a great episode for Emily's farewell....... That is exactly my take on the evolution of this episode. |
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Post by murdochic on Nov 2, 2015 23:36:15 GMT
I personally don't think Emily had an exceptional final episode, the writing was too disjointed which caused big plot holes. The acting was great, but the rest was a let down, even without the whole killing the lesbian trope. I wanted so much more for Emily's exit.
As for George and Emily having chemistry, I think the writers were watching a different show to the majority of us. They've never had sexual chemistry, I've thought that since S5. They are good as friends and colleague's, in that way they have chemistry and I liked those scenes, but they are really lame as a romance. They weren't close to being equals in dynamic and that's why they always seemed such a wet rag when compared to W/J. I don't know why they couldn't just stay friends, it works for Julia and George, and it works well.
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Nov 3, 2015 1:07:26 GMT
For every Darcy that died, there's an Enid or an Anna or an Edna that survived. The numbers aren't comparable, and it's not fair to pretend they are when it comes to minorities who are barely featured on the show. Not to mention when age-old tropes (like 'kill your gays') are being toyed with.
The writers weren't forced to do anything; they couldn't prevent Emily's exit, but they chose the circumstances.
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Post by Hodge on Nov 3, 2015 1:36:44 GMT
Georgina's exit deserved an exceptional episode and I think the writers delivered it (except for the important bit about who killed the PI that ended up on the cutting room floor). I can't imagine what the editor was thinking leaving such an important scene on the cutting room floor. Surely other scenes could have been shortened to leave that in. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 3, 2015 2:27:18 GMT
Georgina's exit deserved an exceptional episode and I think the writers delivered it (except for the important bit about who killed the PI that ended up on the cutting room floor). I can't imagine what the editor was thinking leaving such an important scene on the cutting room floor. Surely other scenes could have been shortened to leave that in. And this is why I hope it's in the DVDs release in the summer. Please leave it in-that doesn't need to be edited for time. Also, I've been thinking about which scene I would have cut or shortened to allow for that scene, but I'm at a loss. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 3, 2015 5:22:26 GMT
Georgina's exit deserved an exceptional episode and I think the writers delivered it (except for the important bit about who killed the PI that ended up on the cutting room floor). I can't imagine what the editor was thinking leaving such an important scene on the cutting room floor. Surely other scenes could have been shortened to leave that in. MM floats or sinks on its reputation for high production standards, so this was a pretty disappointing screw-up. Once the published episode is out there, there is not takesy-backsies to fix anything. I get the feeling (and I had this feeling all through Season 8) that they aren't allocating enough time for the production of individual episodes. |
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Post by oklahomafan on Nov 4, 2015 1:23:20 GMT
I personally don't think Emily had an exceptional final episode, the writing was too disjointed which caused big plot holes. The acting was great, but the rest was a let down, even without the whole killing the lesbian trope. I wanted so much more for Emily's exit. As for George and Emily having chemistry, I think the writers were watching a different show to the majority of us. They've never had sexual chemistry, I've thought that since S5. They are good as friends and colleague's, in that way they have chemistry and I liked those scenes, but they are really lame as a romance. They weren't close to being equals in dynamic and that's why they always seemed such a wet rag when compared to W/J. I don't know why they couldn't just stay friends, it works for Julia and George, and it works well. I guess I am at a loss as to why this episode has caused such hyper critical responses. In the end the show gave us poignant and wonderful stories and great opportunities to love and hate the characters. I think I am done following this thread as the responses have become repetitive and tiresome. Frankly the writers of this show have created what you loved and if they see a different story line that is their prerogative. The show has repeatedly tackled social issues with grace and aplomb. In the end it is their vision and I am just grateful to have a seat to watch and enjoy. |
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Post by murdochic on Nov 4, 2015 1:30:45 GMT
You obviously don't understand why a number of posters found the storyline unneccessary and even borderline offensive. We have explained it all through the thread. TV shows can and should be called out when they do something that is a harmful trope.
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Post by Hodge on Nov 4, 2015 2:37:53 GMT
You obviously don't understand why a number of posters found the storyline unneccessary and even borderline offensive. We have explained it all through the thread. TV shows can and should be called out when they do something that is a harmful trope. It's not a matter of not understanding, it's a matter of being sick of seeing the same comments over and over! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 4, 2015 6:45:29 GMT
You obviously don't understand why a number of posters found the storyline unneccessary and even borderline offensive. We have explained it all through the thread. TV shows can and should be called out when they do something that is a harmful trope. It's not a matter of not understanding, it's a matter of being sick of seeing the same comments over and over! Well, being sick of it depends on your position. People weren't so bothered by repetitive calls for more evidence of marriage in the William/Julia relationship because we all wanted to raise the visibility of that demand. Not as many people see things from Murdochic's angle. I personally appreciate her point about the perpetuation of negative "formulas" concerning lgbt characters. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 4, 2015 7:10:38 GMT
The show has repeatedly tackled social issues with grace and aplomb. In the end it is their vision and I am just grateful to have a seat to watch and enjoy. Again, I think this is a matter of what you care about. When the writers do something that offend fan sensibilities - such as marrying Julia to Darcy in what was possibly the last episode of the show - fans will go on and on and on about it. They sit back and are just grateful when things are going their way. Double Life was a terrific episode in some respects (Georgina rocked), but it also had an egregious flaw in regard to how the PI died. Murdochic brought up the offensive nature of the dead lesbian trope. People who don't have a stake in lgbt issues don't participate in debates they feel don't concern them. But why be intolerant of the people who do have a stake in lgbt issues? On an open forum, their "thing" deserves some space, too. |
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Post by murdochic on Nov 4, 2015 11:36:41 GMT
I'm far from the only poster who had an issue with the episode. Plus, my post quoted wasn't even about killing Lillian, I infact said I didn't like the episode for other reasons. Then I talked about the lack of chemisty between Emily and George. It was someone else who brought the thread back to talking about why various posters weren't happy with Lillian's death. So, ironically myself and others weren't saying the same things at all  |
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Post by tanhere on Nov 5, 2015 1:55:11 GMT
I personally don't think Emily had an exceptional final episode, the writing was too disjointed which caused big plot holes. The acting was great, but the rest was a let down, even without the whole killing the lesbian trope. I wanted so much more for Emily's exit. As for George and Emily having chemistry, I think the writers were watching a different show to the majority of us. They've never had sexual chemistry, I've thought that since S5. They are good as friends and colleague's, in that way they have chemistry and I liked those scenes, but they are really lame as a romance. They weren't close to being equals in dynamic and that's why they always seemed such a wet rag when compared to W/J. I don't know why they couldn't just stay friends, it works for Julia and George, and it works well. I guess I am at a loss as to why this episode has caused such hyper critical responses. In the end the show gave us poignant and wonderful stories and great opportunities to love and hate the characters. I think I am done following this thread as the responses have become repetitive and tiresome. Frankly the writers of this show have created what you loved and if they see a different story line that is their prerogative. The show has repeatedly tackled social issues with grace and aplomb. In the end it is their vision and I am just grateful to have a seat to watch and enjoy. I know what you mean. I had to step away from this thread and just casually look here and there because I was becoming infuriated with the negativity and to be honest, down right rude comments some people are writing. Its beginning to sound like a bunch of whiny children complaining that they didn't get their way. Yes, this is an open forum to discuss our favorite show, but frankly, it is sometimes too unbearable here and some comments are a little too snarky for my liking. I honestly don't even know why Peter Mitchell visits here. All he reads are people telling him how to do his job. Its ok to comment on episodes and vent your feelings, but when you have to dissect every, single detail and are basically telling the writers they can't do their job I find it incredibly annoying and embarrassing. I know I'm not going to be very popular here after saying this, but that is my opinion. Why can't people just calm down and realize its only a tv show? Its ok to be upset or to not like something but please don't be an ass towards to writing team. |
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Post by Epete on Nov 5, 2015 3:04:52 GMT
My job is to keep the show on the air. I am pleased people care about the show. There are many positive and negative things said about each episode. They are often contradictory and I also have learned that making everyone happy is not only impossible. It is not desirable. So far the four episodes of season nine have received the best ratings in the history of Murdoch, even if specific episodes have infuriated fans for different reasons. But I would like to assure the unhappy out only agenda is to entertain.
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Post by snacky on Nov 5, 2015 7:19:38 GMT
My job is to keep the show on the air. I am pleased people care about the show. There are many positive and negative things said about each episode. They are often contradictory and I also have learned that making everyone happy is not only impossible. It is not desirable. So far the four episodes of season nine have received the best ratings in the history of Murdoch, even if specific episodes have infuriated fans for different reasons. But I would like to assure the unhappy out only agenda is to entertain. I'm glad you don't seek to meet fan demands: that usually leads to the worst cliches. The problem with the collective imagination is that it's collective. TV is better when it surprises. Some criticism is worth listening to, though: for example, a plot hole is a plot hole. I trust you to continue to strive for a quality product.  |
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