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Post by lizmc on Mar 21, 2017 15:04:17 GMT
Maybe Watts was also at the house and shot Davis before he could shoot Brackenreid. He seemed to pop out of nowhere at the end so he could have been around and involved in all this. Wasn't Watts from Station 5 before he was sent to Station 4? And wasn't Davis at Station 5 before his demotion? If not then I wouldn't be at all surprised if both Brackenreid and Jackson were dead. Funniest thing I saw on twitter last night: Next season will be called Margaret Mysteries! I believe Watts was from Station House 1, but he is definitely an outsider who operates on the fringes, so he may very well have been skulking around in the shadows...... |
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Post by murdochic on Mar 21, 2017 15:39:12 GMT
I didn't like this finale as much as last seasons, but it was definitely a dramatic season finale and 150th episode. William should have shown more urgency about Julia's kidnapping, that part felt off. He wouldn't really still be investigating the case while Julia was missing. Though I guess it was done to keep the plot rolling. I think this Helene tweet is pretty good indication that Julia will be in S11: Link |
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Post by Terence's Top Hat on Mar 21, 2017 17:30:00 GMT
Holy geez, I don't know how many times I said, "OMG" last night. LOL. Hubby was pretty amused. I really enjoyed this episode, and then I realised this was a cliff-hanger. Ahhhh. I really gotta keep in the loop of interviews, updates, and stuff, instead of just tuning in and watching LOL.
I can't believe I have to wait until the fall again to see what happens. I liked that Det. Watts appeared at the end. I enjoy his character. I see Nina and George are back together. This time I hope they can make things work without poor Nina having to change and change some more.
I really hoped Julia would have kicked that guy in the very sensitive male area while the other man held her, but sadly, it didn't happen. I wanted to see that jerk drop to the floor screaming haha while the other man dragged her away, heh. At least she would've hurt one of her kidnappers.
I'm so glad what's-his-name (I hate that I'm horrible with names) is back as CC. I adore what a corrupt jerk he is.
I'm wondering if Miss Cherry was in on this all along--just by her actions of a woman doesn't allow anyone to push her around.
Brax...I don't know what to say. My fingers are crossed. I adore him and Margaret.
Jackson, George, and Higgins...oh my. At the end they told William one was dead. Or did I hear wrong? I'd better re-watch.
As for William, I have no clue how he's going to get out of this mess. I can hardly wait to see how he pulls it off because he always does.
Okay, I did enough typing.
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Post by Hodge on Mar 21, 2017 18:45:01 GMT
Maybe Watts was also at the house and shot Davis before he could shoot Brackenreid. He seemed to pop out of nowhere at the end so he could have been around and involved in all this. Wasn't Watts from Station 5 before he was sent to Station 4? And wasn't Davis at Station 5 before his demotion? If not then I wouldn't be at all surprised if both Brackenreid and Jackson were dead. Funniest thing I saw on twitter last night: Next season will be called Margaret Mysteries! Watts if from SH1. Maybe he's been staying in the background keeping his eye on things until he felt he was needed. Let's face it it's not a situation you want to be involved in if you don't have to but he and W are getting along now so perhaps it's time. LOL, Margaret Mysteries, she may be the only one left after this. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 21, 2017 18:53:58 GMT
Okay, I wrote my thoughts on the episode as I watched...I'll expand on some of them in parentheses. Opens right up into the action I see. All righty then. So Brax did take a shot at W. And missed. Who is that little pissant ordering him around? I long suspected that the dancer wasn't Nina, but the other friend, whose name I can't remember. They brought Davis back? Is he the new Gillies? That man keeps coming back like an STD. What happened to the previous CC? Was he fired? Oh shit. They did allude to an affair between William and the dancer. And of course Davis is the one to do it. Found dead in the bed? Seriously William and Julia, it's time to find a new place to live. That's the second time someone's been found dead in their marital bed. That place has bad juju. (I felt this way last season and I still feel this way. Even if they move to another hotel, they need to move!) Davis, the man you love to hate! Good point, Henry re: arresting Murdoch. Would you George? Apparently yes. What happened? And George is naive if he thinks that as Higgins and Jackson certainly don't. Lydia was the dancer's name. Oh, is Julia doubting William's fidelity? Ok. She isn't. Good. She should know that something is seriously wrong. Oh, Nina does know more than she's letting on. (I still think this). A nice, long Jilliam kiss. Uh oh, that spells trouble. And William did fail to protect Lydia. It's Constance Gardner all over again. But worse. Oh boy. George don't you know to look behind you to see if you're being followed? Oh, your naïveté. (Seriously, George, I can't believe you were that stupid!) Okay, I thought this was going to involve Pendrick and Meyers somehow. I was wrong. It's a brand new cast of characters. (I'm still disappointed that this wasn't a matter of national security). Why does Davis keep trying to be friendly with the men? Surely he knows they know better by now? Uh oh, Julia's about to become bait. Now Louise is somehow complicit? Something seems fishy. Playing fast with Julia's life, William? Just like you did with Lydia's? William, surely you knew they'd come for you there? Duh. (at the hotel-when he was dusting for fingerprints) Louise is definitely complicit somehow. Slimy. Either the new bosses got to her, or she saw the directional change and is being very opportunistic. George and Nina are a thing again? Good. Maybe they make some sort of compromise? Seriously, George. Look behind you. Don't you ever learn? (Arghhhhhh, this is killing me! Look behind you-you're a cop that's trailed countless people-you should know better) Is this a nightmare sequence? They can't all be dead? Something just doesn't seem real about this. Post-Episode Thoughts I don't know that I enjoyed this episode, but it certainly has me thinking. I get that it was trying to be shocking, but it just sort of feels unfinished as opposed to a cliffhanger. Is anyone else wondering if William will ever learn to leave things alone? Brax warned him against doing what he was doing, without more evidence, but W stubbornly persisted and got at least one person killed (Lydia) and at the minimum put everyone's life at grave risk. I can't help but feel W has blood on his hands now. I thought he was supposed to have learned that the truth is not everything after reconnecting with Father Keegan or with Constance Gardiner. It would seem he hasn't, nor does it appear that he ever will. I'm a bit angry at him right now, tbh. But, that's good as perfect characters are boring. I was going to write a review but I think you've just about said everything here. I did enjoy this episode though, it was a wild ride. Totally agree with your thoughts on W not leaving things alone, exactly what I thought when Brax warned him. We've been missing angst for quite some time. We've got it in spades now! |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 21, 2017 19:00:39 GMT
Fallenbelle mentioned Miss Cherry's role in Hell to Pay, I thought she may be a lackey of the corrupt politicians. I had previously said I'd noticed her controlling ways for some time and it seems I was correct, PM mentioned in the TV-Eh interview that she'd been written that way from the start. They did really ramp it up in the last episode though.
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Post by lizmc on Mar 21, 2017 19:54:12 GMT
Fallenbelle mentioned Miss Cherry's role in Hell to Pay, I thought she may be a lackey of the corrupt politicians. I had previously said I'd noticed her controlling ways for some time and it seems I was correct, PM mentioned in the TV-Eh interview that she'd been written that way from the start. They did really ramp it up in the last episode though. Louise Cherry irritated me from the get go.....she struck me as someone who would do whatever was needed to get ahead, so it only makes sense that she would side with the group holding the advantage. Considering it was Brackenreid who suggested George involve her, just shows how much he misjudged her, which was rare.... it has been mentioned that she was trying to change George the same way George was trying to change Nina, except with different motives. I think George was honestly thinking of Nina and how being more socially acceptable would improve her lot in life. Louise was trying to change George for the sake of her future, to make him a more socially acceptable mate for her purposes...... |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 21, 2017 20:05:25 GMT
Fallenbelle mentioned Miss Cherry's role in Hell to Pay, I thought she may be a lackey of the corrupt politicians. I had previously said I'd noticed her controlling ways for some time and it seems I was correct, PM mentioned in the TV-Eh interview that she'd been written that way from the start. They did really ramp it up in the last episode though. Louise Cherry irritated me from the get go.....she struck me as someone who would do whatever was needed to get ahead, so it only makes sense that she would side with the group holding the advantage. Considering it was Brackenreid who suggested George involve her, just shows how much he misjudged her, which was rare.... it has been mentioned that she was trying to change George the same way George was trying to change Nina, except with different motives. I think George was honestly thinking of Nina and how being more socially acceptable would improve her lot in life. Louise was trying to change George for the sake of her future, to make him a more socially acceptable mate for her purposes...... I agree but it was Murdoch that asked George to get Miss Cherry involved. M & Brax haven't seen that side of her, she's two faced and that's why they've misjudged her. |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Mar 22, 2017 1:16:03 GMT
this episode was so emotionally compromising i can't even  Becca's comments & reactions complete with gifs! (because it's the 150th and I'm an old curmudgeon in the MM fandom  One day Murdoch you will learn to leave things well enough alone. But alas it appears today is not that day.  Omg you two need to get a hotel that has better security. Seriously. Or at least a new bed. That's two bodies found in the bed. Ew. Why hello there Davis. Got bored at your desk job in the records department? GO FIND ANOTHER HOBBY THAT'S NOT RUINING LIVES geez anyway I have more impressing questions HOW THE EFF DID YOU BECOME CHEIF CONSTABLE AGAIN??  Dude you need to come up with a better way to frame people? An affair? Really? Well then again you've never been the sharpest lightbulb in the store. TAHA LOUISE CHERRY PUT THAT IN YOUR PAPER AND PRINT IT! Okay George, if you're less controlling of Nina (now that you've been on the other end of it) I can get behind you and her being a thing. But if you hurt her I think you'll have to answer to momma Jules. Enter one BAMF Julia. When when are people going to learn that Julia's got a nasty right hook? How many people has she punched now? My money is totes on Brackenreid. Why didn't Higgens & Jackson duck when Crabtree was shot? Like seriously guys. Anyway how did those shooters actually see what they were aiming at??? Did they steal some of William's night vision goggles? MY CHEERFUL LITTLE CHIPMUNK BETTER NOT BE DEAD I TELL YOU! WATTS YOU BETTER BE HERE TO HELP Me at the end    |
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Post by lilac on Mar 22, 2017 4:53:47 GMT
Not quite sure what to say.
I haven't enjoyed this season, to be honest. I've liked every season regardless of any minor flaws except this one and I think it comes down to the pandering to new viewers, the reliance on tropes, fillers episodes and the generally hollow feeling I felt as I watched each episode. Every episode this season has felt forced or off in some way like they built around one thought, joke, or idea and then stretched it to the max as far they could while trotting out one-dimensional versions of the scooby gang. I'm hoping next season breathes some new life back into the show and makes me shocked, makes me think and makes me chuckle with a cameo from a historical figure that may have been in Canada in the early 1900's while having William come up with a crude version of a modern invention. I still feel no chemistry between Nina and George and I think the way they handled Miss Cherry in the last few episodes was very poorly. I saw her as a driven, smart and resourceful woman like Miss Pink and I wish they hadn't taken her down this path or at least peppered in more obviously negative traits a lot earlier. She seemed just as eager to get her hands dirty and truth-seeking but these last episodes made her out to be some elitist high society snob. I also hope we never have to go back to the burlesque set, something about it just feels so unnecessary and worn-out. That's not to say I hated every second of this season because I did like small parts here and there but overall it just felt lacking in a lot of ways.
Now onto my thoughts of the episode:
William and Julia definitely need to move. But from the last episode, it seemed like they'd given up on building a house at least for now. Which is a bit of a shame when you think off all the features that William had planned for their dream home. I found it a bit shocking that after all.the corruption George has seen he would still believe Murdoch should turn himself in and try to prove his case. I thought it was weird that William landed in jail multiple times and he was never roughed up once by any of the constables and that Brackenreid didn't have a scratch on him after being beaten with a baton. I didn't expect the shoot to be so brutal but I do think it was a smart way to write out Jackson. I know Crabtree would never be in danger so it has to either be Higgins or Jackson. Initially, I thought it would be a toss up because Higgins death would be very dramatic and far-reaching but he's George's partner and that would be hard to get past. I've slowing been growing to like Jackson more especially since they gave him more to work with this season but he definitely wouldn't be as big of a loss as Higgins to be honest. Brackenreid's resolution is the only one I'm eagerly anticipating. I don't know how the show could really go on without him and I'm not sure I'd like to see it if they tried. I hope he was somehow able to wrangle the gun out of CC Davis's hands and finally be rid of him. And I've very interested to see how it all plays out. I'm also eager to see how Watts saves the day. I wondered where he was but figured he might have been muzzled. I almost wonder why William didn't go to him first because no one would really suspect them to work together instead of Crabtree and Brackenreid.
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Post by meoldmucker on Mar 22, 2017 7:09:27 GMT
All I can say is FINALLY! An episode that held my attention, start to finish! This episode reminded me of why I started watching the show in the first place. Loved the drama, loved the intrigue, just all out, without overanalyzing it, loved this episode!
When Graham tells Murdoch at least one constable was dead, my thoughts immediately went to Jackson, and not because Bruun is doing another show, but more because of the 3, he's the one fans would be least in an uproar about losing.
I agree that, given the time between Davis getting the jump on Brackenreid, and the shot we hear, Brad probably turned the tables.
Last thing...Seeing Watts at the end, signified for me 2 things....Things weren't being resolved in one hour! I didn't catch that this was the season finale. The other? Come S11 ep1, shtuff is about to get real! Watts proved before, at least to me, that you don't screw his friends, which Jackson was! I'd also like to think that maybe, just maybe, Slorach shows up out of respect for both SH4, and the law, and helps William and Watts straighten this out!
Just my nickel's worth, cuz here in Canada, we did away with pennies!!
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Post by shangas on Mar 22, 2017 12:51:54 GMT
I watched this episode this morning, and I really enjoyed it. However, a few things really niggled me...
1. Constantly meeting in the church. That's so bloody stupid. Even I could see that one coming.
2. Strangers constantly finding their way into the Murdochs' hotel-suite. What, the door doesn't have a lock on it??
3. You can tell who has survived and who has died already.
Other than that it was pretty cool.
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Post by murdochic on Mar 22, 2017 17:00:56 GMT
I watched this episode this morning, and I really enjoyed it. However, a few things really niggled me... 1. Constantly meeting in the church. That's so bloody stupid. Even I could see that one coming. 2. Strangers constantly finding their way into the Murdochs' hotel-suite. What, the door doesn't have a lock on it?? 3. You can tell who has survived and who has died already. Other than that it was pretty cool. I know Julia has survived because Helene gave that away on twitter (I love how she's done that two years in a row). Who else has given away they'll be back in S11? I really do think that Jackson is dead if a constable really died. Like lilac said, he's the one who wouldn't upset the viewers as much if well lost him, and the actor is busy elsewhere. Brackenreid, I'm not sure about. I hope he's ok. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 22, 2017 22:18:42 GMT
I watched this episode this morning, and I really enjoyed it. However, a few things really niggled me... 1. Constantly meeting in the church. That's so bloody stupid. Even I could see that one coming. 2. Strangers constantly finding their way into the Murdochs' hotel-suite. What, the door doesn't have a lock on it?? 3. You can tell who has survived and who has died already. Other than that it was pretty cool. I agree with you on all these points. If the Murdochs don't move after this, I don't think they ever will. Ok, what's your theory re: #3? |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 23, 2017 2:17:29 GMT
A thought just occurred to me.....I'm sure former Chief Constable Gilles would have some dirt on Davis.....could he make a comeback? Clemency or early release for cooperation? Just putting it out there......
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