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Post by Hodge on Sept 10, 2014 16:43:08 GMT
I believe it's only the region 2 (Europe) DVD that has them in this order, everywhere else has the North American order. I assume they thought Power would be a better introduction to the show, it was definitely more polished than the earlier ones. Don't know why the rest of them are out of order. Attached is a list of the order, NA episode number and which disc each ep is on. Ooh I have to try re-arranging the order to see if there is more of a relationship "progression". Also curious if it makes Yannick's "Asperger's" performance look less patchy. We never did see that silver horse again.  I think he stashed the horse away along with the memory of Liza. I'm not sure about the Asperger's, I've always thought of him as a man that's not entirely comfortable in his own skin and has a severe case of social awkwardness. Anyway, check it out, the relationship isn't as patchy and you can see the progression towards The Green Muse, in fact I think they were heading for a kiss in Annoying Red Planet but were interrupted by the airship. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 12, 2014 6:06:55 GMT
This knowledge has blown my mind. It kinda reminds me of how they aired Firefly out of order and then it got cancelled because people couldn't get into it. But I guess the Jilliam relationship wasn't as central of a component in the first season so it wasn't super noticeable...but yeah, I always thought picnicking in the first ep was weird considering we don't see them do that again until their first official date.
I'll definitely have to watch it in the proper order someday.
As for them almost kissing in ARP, yeah probably...but then it doesn't really add up cuz then it's like at least half a year after that before they actually do! Then again, Will is the king of the 'eternal courtship'.
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Post by snacky on Sept 12, 2014 6:30:21 GMT
This knowledge has blown my mind. It kinda reminds me of how they aired Firefly out of order and then it got cancelled because people couldn't get into it. But I guess the Jilliam relationship wasn't as central of a component in the first season so it wasn't super noticeable...but yeah, I always thought picnicking in the first ep was weird considering we don't see them do that again until their first official date. I'll definitely have to watch it in the proper order someday. As for them almost kissing in ARP, yeah probably...but then it doesn't really add up cuz then it's like at least half a year after that before they actually do! Then again, Will is the king of the 'eternal courtship'. In speaking of eternal courtships and blowing your mind, did you see my thought that part of the Green Muse kissing scene could be imagined? Don't know why that never occurred to me before, but that would reduce the amount of "explaining away" that needs to be done. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 12, 2014 13:40:36 GMT
This knowledge has blown my mind. It kinda reminds me of how they aired Firefly out of order and then it got cancelled because people couldn't get into it. But I guess the Jilliam relationship wasn't as central of a component in the first season so it wasn't super noticeable...but yeah, I always thought picnicking in the first ep was weird considering we don't see them do that again until their first official date. I'll definitely have to watch it in the proper order someday. As for them almost kissing in ARP, yeah probably...but then it doesn't really add up cuz then it's like at least half a year after that before they actually do! Then again, Will is the king of the 'eternal courtship'. In speaking of eternal courtships and blowing your mind, did you see my thought that part of the Green Muse kissing scene could be imagined? Don't know why that never occurred to me before, but that would reduce the amount of "explaining away" that needs to be done. Nope. You think the whole 'prophylactics' part didn't actually happen? If it was all in Murdoch's mind then it would be further evidence that they never slept together at any point in their relationship. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 12, 2014 16:20:04 GMT
In speaking of eternal courtships and blowing your mind, did you see my thought that part of the Green Muse kissing scene could be imagined? Don't know why that never occurred to me before, but that would reduce the amount of "explaining away" that needs to be done. Nope. You think the whole 'prophylactics' part didn't actually happen? If it was all in Murdoch's mind then it would be further evidence that they never slept together at any point in their relationship. I just don't think it was a daydream/hallucination/etc because there none of the typical "tells" of such a thing, such as the jolting out of a reverie, eye blinking, so it totally happened. Yes, it was out of character for William, but he was drunk. Which is why Julia totally needs to get him drunk. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 12, 2014 16:22:51 GMT
In speaking of eternal courtships and blowing your mind, did you see my thought that part of the Green Muse kissing scene could be imagined? Don't know why that never occurred to me before, but that would reduce the amount of "explaining away" that needs to be done. Nope. You think the whole 'prophylactics' part didn't actually happen? If it was all in Murdoch's mind then it would be further evidence that they never slept together at any point in their relationship. I think the initial kiss happened, and perhaps some kissing after that. If that entire conversation did happen, I'm wondering if it was as William remembers it, with him being such a Casanova. Absinthe has a lot of alcohol in it. I had a very small amount, and I almost fell asleep on the spot! It might have been so traumatic to lose control of himself like that, especially around Julia, that he had to put some construction on events, too. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 12, 2014 16:26:05 GMT
Nope. You think the whole 'prophylactics' part didn't actually happen? If it was all in Murdoch's mind then it would be further evidence that they never slept together at any point in their relationship. I just don't think it was a daydream/hallucination/etc because there none of the typical "tells" of such a thing, such as the jolting out of a reverie, eye blinking, so it totally happened. Yes, it was out of character for William, but he was drunk. Which is why Julia totally needs to get him drunk.I don't think he would jolt out if he passed out first!  I'm sure if William didn't do anything, he certainly told/muttered/sighed to Julia exactly what he was thinking...hence her nonsurprise at where their relationship had advanced to the next morning. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 12, 2014 17:33:10 GMT
I just don't think it was a daydream/hallucination/etc because there none of the typical "tells" of such a thing, such as the jolting out of a reverie, eye blinking, so it totally happened. Yes, it was out of character for William, but he was drunk. Which is why Julia totally needs to get him drunk.I don't think he would jolt out if he passed out first! I'm sure if William didn't do anything, he certainly told/muttered/sighed to Julia exactly what he was thinking...hence her nonsurprise at where their relationship had advanced to the next morning. I watched TGM last night but I'd forgotten about this conversation so I didn't think to take note of the scene however I've never thought it looked anything other than actually happening and it happened purely because William was drunk. I'm wondering if this event is why William is so buttoned up with Julia, he's scared of losing control again. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 12, 2014 18:03:53 GMT
I don't think he would jolt out if he passed out first! I'm sure if William didn't do anything, he certainly told/muttered/sighed to Julia exactly what he was thinking...hence her nonsurprise at where their relationship had advanced to the next morning. I watched TGM last night but I'd forgotten about this conversation so I didn't think to take note of the scene however I've never thought it looked anything other than actually happening and it happened purely because William was drunk. I'm wondering if this event is why William is so buttoned up with Julia, he's scared of losing control again. I always thought it looked a little surreal and fuzzy around the edges - but because it was supposed to be a "magical" experience with The Green Fairy/Muse. And again, I think they kissed and proceeded to make out to some extant: they proceeded on "kissing" terms the next day. I'm wondering if we saw this through Julia's eyes would we see more "cute nerd" and less "Don Juan"? Would we see William falling asleep before the question of prophylactics even came up? Maybe this is a subconscious shadow from the "skinny-dipping" information he recently got? Would he have let himself get to a point where Julia had to say no? In a park? I keep getting the feeling we're looking the Residual Self Image version of William from The Matrix here. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 12, 2014 19:08:24 GMT
I don't think he would jolt out if he passed out first! I'm sure if William didn't do anything, he certainly told/muttered/sighed to Julia exactly what he was thinking...hence her nonsurprise at where their relationship had advanced to the next morning. I watched TGM last night but I'd forgotten about this conversation so I didn't think to take note of the scene however I've never thought it looked anything other than actually happening and it happened purely because William was drunk. I'm wondering if this event is why William is so buttoned up with Julia, he's scared of losing control again. YES! This is totally going to be a fic. Maybe. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 12, 2014 20:43:39 GMT
Nope. You think the whole 'prophylactics' part didn't actually happen? If it was all in Murdoch's mind then it would be further evidence that they never slept together at any point in their relationship. I just don't think it was a daydream/hallucination/etc because there none of the typical "tells" of such a thing, such as the jolting out of a reverie, eye blinking, so it totally happened. Yes, it was out of character for William, but he was drunk. Which is why Julia totally needs to get him drunk.I think him simply being drunk makes the most sense, rather than him hallucinating...didn't he even say, "I'm disappointed. No Green Faerie," before they even kissed? And then the next morning they are discussing how the judge and Cora consumed far less than them but strangely the judge was far more affected? I do think it odd though that Will can hold such a potent liquor so well. If anything, his casanova bit would have been him puking his guts out in reality...and Julia laughing and saying, "What a shame to waste such gourmet food!" |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 12, 2014 21:04:49 GMT
I always thought it looked a little surreal and fuzzy around the edges - but because it was supposed to be a "magical" experience with The Green Fairy/Muse. And again, I think they kissed and proceeded to make out to some extant: they proceeded on "kissing" terms the next day. I'm wondering if we saw this through Julia's eyes would we see more "cute nerd" and less "Don Juan"? Would we see William falling asleep before the question of prophylactics even came up? Maybe this is a subconscious shadow from the "skinny-dipping" information he recently got? Would he have let himself get to a point where Julia had to say no? In a park? I keep getting the feeling we're looking the Residual Self Image version of William from The Matrix here. Just watched this scene again with a critical eye, it's not 'fuzzy around the edges', not 'fantasy like' it's as clear as the rest of the scenes. We're definitely in the middle of William making out in his clumsy way. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 12, 2014 21:24:30 GMT
I think him simply being drunk makes the most sense, rather than him hallucinating...didn't he even say, "I'm disappointed. No Green Faerie," before they even kissed? And then the next morning they are discussing how the judge and Cora consumed far less than them but strangely the judge was far more affected? I do think it odd though that Will can hold such a potent liquor so well. If anything, his casanova bit would have been him puking his guts out in reality...and Julia laughing and saying, "What a shame to waste such gourmet food!" I would think Julia would be secretly glad that William would fall ill and never consider making peanut butter and jelly as a romantic repast again! Not exactly kissing food. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 12, 2014 21:26:46 GMT
William making out in his clumsy way. LOL! (especially if you've seen Helene opine that William's "style" needed some work!)  But, c'mon - that was an awfully flattering memory of himself that evening! |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 13, 2014 19:34:27 GMT
This is how their relationship plays out if we use the European order. I think Bad Medicine and Rebel and the Prince should have stayed as they were though because it makes more sense to me that Julia would be scoffing at Miss Pensell's prediction a lot more if he hadn't almost died in the fire like two weeks before...also makes more sense she would break down in front of him if he almost died twice within like a month.
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