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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 13, 2014 19:42:42 GMT
I just don't think it was a daydream/hallucination/etc because there none of the typical "tells" of such a thing, such as the jolting out of a reverie, eye blinking, so it totally happened. Yes, it was out of character for William, but he was drunk. Which is why Julia totally needs to get him drunk.I think him simply being drunk makes the most sense, rather than him hallucinating...didn't he even say, "I'm disappointed. No Green Faerie," before they even kissed? And then the next morning they are discussing how the judge and Cora consumed far less than them but strangely the judge was far more affected? I do think it odd though that Will can hold such a potent liquor so well. If anything, his casanova bit would have been him puking his guts out in reality...and Julia laughing and saying, "What a shame to waste such gourmet food!" I suspect William held up as well as he did because he used to be quite the drinker. There's a backstory there that I hope is told this season. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 13, 2014 20:20:42 GMT
I think him simply being drunk makes the most sense, rather than him hallucinating...didn't he even say, "I'm disappointed. No Green Faerie," before they even kissed? And then the next morning they are discussing how the judge and Cora consumed far less than them but strangely the judge was far more affected? I do think it odd though that Will can hold such a potent liquor so well. If anything, his casanova bit would have been him puking his guts out in reality...and Julia laughing and saying, "What a shame to waste such gourmet food!" I suspect William held up as well as he did because he used to be quite the drinker. There's a backstory there that I hope is told this season. I always assumed his main aversion to the stuff was his fear of turning into his father...but maybe I'm wrong about that and something else happened at the logging camp that turned him off the stuff. He did say in SotWS part 2 that he developed a taste for Spruce Beer in Nova Scotia...so clearly he did drink at one point in his life... Lol except he was only in Nova Scotia from infancy until like age twelve...so either he was a drunk as a kid or the writers goofed on that location. Then again, New Brunswick doesn't make much more sense since he was staying with Jesuit Priests at the time...  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 13, 2014 20:35:31 GMT
I suspect William held up as well as he did because he used to be quite the drinker. There's a backstory there that I hope is told this season. I always assumed his main aversion to the stuff was his fear of turning into his father...but maybe I'm wrong about that and something else happened at the logging camp that turned him off the stuff. He did say in SotWS part 2 that he developed a taste for Spruce Beer in Nova Scotia...so clearly he did drink at one point in his life... Lol except he was only in Nova Scotia from infancy until like age twelve...so either he was a drunk as a kid or the writers goofed on that location. Then again, New Brunswick doesn't make much more sense since he was staying with Jesuit Priests at the time... I don't remember which episode, but in one he tells someone he won't join them for a drink because he hasn't touched the stuff in years. Maybe it was Brax or George? I also had to look it up, as I thought spruce beer was a root beer of sorts-nonalcoholic. It turns out it can be both. Sneaky writers  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 13, 2014 20:43:58 GMT
I always assumed his main aversion to the stuff was his fear of turning into his father...but maybe I'm wrong about that and something else happened at the logging camp that turned him off the stuff. He did say in SotWS part 2 that he developed a taste for Spruce Beer in Nova Scotia...so clearly he did drink at one point in his life... Lol except he was only in Nova Scotia from infancy until like age twelve...so either he was a drunk as a kid or the writers goofed on that location. Then again, New Brunswick doesn't make much more sense since he was staying with Jesuit Priests at the time... I don't remember which episode, but in one he tells someone he won't join them for a drink because he hasn't touched the stuff in years. Maybe it was Brax or George? I also had to look it up, as I thought spruce beer was a root beer of sorts-nonalcoholic. It turns out it can be both. Sneaky writers I feel like that was The Murdoch Sting...and then he goes and chugs some whiskey before he proposes. Haha, really? Oh well then that makes a lot more sense that he'd be drinking it as a child...also makes more sense that some random dive bar in Toronto would have it available if it was basically root beer and not some specialty drink. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 13, 2014 23:30:23 GMT
This is how their relationship plays out if we use the European order. I think Bad Medicine and Rebel and the Prince should have stayed as they were though because it makes more sense to me that Julia would be scoffing at Miss Pensell's prediction a lot more if he hadn't almost died in the fire like two weeks before...also makes more sense she would break down in front of him if he almost died twice within like a month. Yay, video not available in my country.  |
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Post by snacky on Sept 13, 2014 23:33:32 GMT
I do think it odd though that Will can hold such a potent liquor so well. If anything, his casanova bit would have been him puking his guts out in reality...and Julia laughing and saying, "What a shame to waste such gourmet food!" I suspect William held up as well as he did because he used to be quite the drinker. There's a backstory there that I hope is told this season. Isn't there some sort of shelf life on alcohol tolerance? I wouldn't know because I only drink occasionally myself: which means it takes very little to put me away.  |
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Post by snacky on Sept 13, 2014 23:37:02 GMT
I suspect William held up as well as he did because he used to be quite the drinker. There's a backstory there that I hope is told this season. I always assumed his main aversion to the stuff was his fear of turning into his father...but maybe I'm wrong about that and something else happened at the logging camp that turned him off the stuff. He did say in SotWS part 2 that he developed a taste for Spruce Beer in Nova Scotia...so clearly he did drink at one point in his life... Lol except he was only in Nova Scotia from infancy until like age twelve...so either he was a drunk as a kid or the writers goofed on that location. Then again, New Brunswick doesn't make much more sense since he was staying with Jesuit Priests at the time... This is why I have my suspicions about the clear liquid on the counter. Spruce beer can be alcoholic or non-alcoholic: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spruce_beerThose writers be funning with us again. I bet William (with hat on) could get drunk off a non-alcoholic beverage. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 13, 2014 23:39:43 GMT
I also had to look it up, as I thought spruce beer was a root beer of sorts-nonalcoholic. It turns out it can be both. Sneaky writers lol, you checked, too! |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 14, 2014 0:16:42 GMT
This is how their relationship plays out if we use the European order. I think Bad Medicine and Rebel and the Prince should have stayed as they were though because it makes more sense to me that Julia would be scoffing at Miss Pensell's prediction a lot more if he hadn't almost died in the fire like two weeks before...also makes more sense she would break down in front of him if he almost died twice within like a month. I agree, those could very well stay the same, it does make more sense. Perhaps this just happened to be the order they were filmed. Edit: I've just watched the video and I'm now thinking maybe they should be in the European order as the end of Bad Medicine seems to have them closer and William seems to be more comfortable with Julia than at the end of Rebel and the Prince. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 14, 2014 3:07:50 GMT
This is how their relationship plays out if we use the European order. I think Bad Medicine and Rebel and the Prince should have stayed as they were though because it makes more sense to me that Julia would be scoffing at Miss Pensell's prediction a lot more if he hadn't almost died in the fire like two weeks before...also makes more sense she would break down in front of him if he almost died twice within like a month. I agree, those could very well stay the same, it does make more sense. Perhaps this just happened to be the order they were filmed. Edit: I've just watched the video and I'm now thinking maybe they should be in the European order as the end of Bad Medicine seems to have them closer and William seems to be more comfortable with Julia than at the end of Rebel and the Prince. Hmm...maybe she helped him with his recovery by giving him daily 'checkups.' Never really thought about it before...but wouldn't Will have a nasty scar in his abdomen? It's a shame to think of that adonis like body being marred.
And then maybe she was scoffing so much at the prediction because she didn't want to go through the pain of thinking something bad would happen to him again after he almost died in the fire. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 3:25:28 GMT
Never really thought about it before...but wouldn't Will have a nasty scar in his abdomen? It's a shame to think of that adonis like body being marred.
And then maybe she was scoffing so much at the prediction because she didn't want to go through the pain of thinking something bad would happen to him again after he almost died in the fire. I always thought the meeting in the park was a bit too coincidental. It would have been nice if the writers had given Julia an excuse: some scheduled meeting to check on William - perhaps even officially to see how soon he could return to duty. I agree it also would have been nice if Julia's near breakdown after the fire could have been connected to that previous near-miss trauma. Let's pretend it was. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 14, 2014 4:04:58 GMT
Never really thought about it before...but wouldn't Will have a nasty scar in his abdomen? It's a shame to think of that adonis like body being marred.
And then maybe she was scoffing so much at the prediction because she didn't want to go through the pain of thinking something bad would happen to him again after he almost died in the fire. I always thought the meeting in the park was a bit too coincidental. It would have been nice if the writers had given Julia an excuse: some scheduled meeting to check on William - perhaps even officially to see how soon he could return to duty. I agree it also would have been nice if Julia's near breakdown after the fire could have been connected to that previous near-miss trauma. Let's pretend it was. Lol, I think a made a joke once that she was stalking him for awhile cuz she was jealous of him and Pensell's relationship. Perhaps Pensell was by his bedside every day when Julia came in to change his bandages? If that's the case, she would have been uber when Enid went and did the same thing. Well, the North American order did have it that way...the fire was after the arrow...that's why I originally said it made more sense in the original order...but I can see how it would work both ways. Edit: found the joke: holy-lakemonster-batman.tumblr.com/post/82866332432/so-julia-didnt-go-with-william-to-the-film |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 4:38:02 GMT
Lol, I think a made a joke once that she was stalking him for awhile cuz she was jealous of him and Pensell's relationship. Perhaps Pensell was by his bedside every day when Julia came in to change his bandages? If that's the case, she would have been uber when Enid went and did the same thing. Well, the North American order did have it that way...the fire was after the arrow...that's why I originally said it made more sense in the original order...but I can see how it would work both ways. Edit: found the joke: holy-lakemonster-batman.tumblr.com/post/82866332432/so-julia-didnt-go-with-william-to-the-filmIt did seem like she was stalking William - a bit creepy actually.  Hmm - along with her Ruby-imitating there might be a psycho!Julia argument to be made here... I'm just watching the Enid Era with Eclair and Julia really did bring that on herself by trying to punish William for being too slow about coming to terms with her abortion. The initial uncertainty was his fault, but she's the one who turned down the temperature after that. She's really lucky William eventually got up the nerve to make the first move after that! |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 14, 2014 4:55:27 GMT
It did seem like she was stalking William - a bit creepy actually. Hmm - along with her Ruby-imitating there might be a psycho!Julia argument to be made here... I'm just watching the Enid Era with Eclair and Julia really did bring that on herself by trying to punish William for being too slow about coming to terms with her abortion. The initial uncertainty was his fault, but she's the one who turned down the temperature after that. She's really lucky William eventually got up the nerve to make the first move after that! She really did set herself up for everything she got during that time and she can't say that William didn't try but when he was shot down I think he just gave up. Then Enid turned up and he figured better her than no one. Still can't figure the attraction. I have to say that I did enjoy Julia's discomfort during that period, she deserved it, she really didn't give William a chance to work it all out and as we know he needs time to process the relationship stuff. In Julia's defense though, it was the first time they'd found themselves in that situation. The second time, when she left for Buffalo, she should have known William would need time to process it. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 5:11:10 GMT
She really did set herself up for everything she got during that time and she can't say that William didn't try but when he was shot down I think he just gave up. Then Enid turned up and he figured better her than no one. Still can't figure the attraction. I have to say that I did enjoy Julia's discomfort during that period, she deserved it, she really didn't give William a chance to work it all out and as we know he needs time to process the relationship stuff. In Julia's defense though, it was the first time they'd found themselves in that situation. The second time, when she left for Buffalo, she should have known William would need time to process it. In rewatching it, I think William did take to long to make a move toward making things all right after the abortion discussion: and he was rude to Julia first. But she closed the door definitively when she turned down the battery exhibition date, so it should have come as no surprise that he tried to move on. I think William went for Enid as the "anti-Julia": he would be an instant family man if he married her. In the past I always thought that William was describing Julia as the "perfect woman" for the telegrapher bait in Murdoch.com - but now I think he might have been comparing Enid: especially when he says "Career woman: not selfishly so." Julia pursued her career selfishly when she gave up her child: Enid was smart and independent enough to have a career, but she gave it up when she needed to focus on raising her son. Perhaps at that minute William was even wondering where he would fall on Julia's list of priorities. (This gives additional meaning to William's hopeful look when he thinks Julia's comment on the Salvias means she is "thinking of him", too!) I totally agree that Julia should have learned something about how William processes relationship information the first time around. She also knew he was busy with a case when she fled for Buffalo: I can only believe she did that on purpose because she didn't want William to negotiate with her once she had accepted the offer. It was very cruel to William, though. They both would have been spared a lot of pain if they had actually talked about marriage earlier, though. |
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