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Post by Hodge on Sept 14, 2014 15:28:15 GMT
But still glancing over her shoulder half hoping he'd somehow come to stop her...did she leave a note in his office the night before? Cuz the 'good' ending had her getting off the train, all like rolling her eyes and being like, "Ugh, why didn't he get here in time? It's not like I left the note on his desk last minute or anything. All right, I'll wait here for a bit and if he doesn't show up before the next train, leave for sure....maybe." I think the "good" ending was just a bonus track for shippers. It would have looked tacked on if the show had ended on that episode and the writers had to use it. I think it was just a wistful look for something magical to happen. For things to have been different. She loved William, and she had expected to marry him. Then the proposal didn't come, and he started becoming obvious that children were part of his fantasies, too. I think the good ending was to be used if the show hadn't been renewed for another season. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 14, 2014 15:45:28 GMT
Then, just as our boy gets a chance, she's been meaning to mention that she's engaged, which I think is really quite cruel of her. Plus, she marries Darcy (when she was still in love in someone else) which as much as we don't like Darcy, was another cruel thing to do. She does realize that she made a mistake though by 'setting William free' to find someone else, she now knows he's never going to. In the scene where Ruby shows Julia the telegram? and ring she tells Ruby it would break Darcy's heart if she called off the wedding. I always scream at the screen "What about William's heart!!!" I couldn't believe she could be so uncaring about William when she's supposed to love him still. Who the hell cares about Darcy's heart! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 14, 2014 15:57:57 GMT
Then, just as our boy gets a chance, she's been meaning to mention that she's engaged, which I think is really quite cruel of her. Plus, she marries Darcy (when she was still in love in someone else) which as much as we don't like Darcy, was another cruel thing to do. She does realize that she made a mistake though by 'setting William free' to find someone else, she now knows he's never going to. In the scene where Ruby shows Julia the telegram? and ring she tells Ruby it would break Darcy's heart if she called off the wedding. I always scream at the screen "What about William's heart!!!" I couldn't believe she could be so uncaring about William when she's supposed to love him still. Who the hell cares about Darcy's heart! I have no idea what she was thinking there-marrying a man she didn't truly love because she didn't want to go through a scandal? Because Darcy asked her first, and/or she was hurt that William hadn't said or done anything about it. I suspect that it was because of the latter, although she'd never say as much. Congratulations, Julia-now you've made three people miserable: yourself, William , and Darcy. But, she did manage to avoid rejection. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 14, 2014 16:52:55 GMT
Hmm, all this talk of avoiding rejection is starting to make me think there was more to her med school breakup than she told William. She said she had no wish to marry the man, but perhaps HE was the one who rejected HER after he learned that she was carrying his child! Perhaps that whole situation both physically and mentally scarred her so badly that she never really recovered from it.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 14, 2014 17:05:41 GMT
Hmm, all this talk of avoiding rejection is starting to make me think there was more to her med school breakup than she told William. She said she had no wish to marry the man, but perhaps HE was the one who rejected HER after he learned that she was carrying his child! Perhaps that whole situation both physically and mentally scarred her so badly that she never really recovered from it. Holyyyyyyyyy........ you've hit on something. Why haven't we thought of this before.    Nice one, CC.  |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 17:14:08 GMT
Hmm, all this talk of avoiding rejection is starting to make me think there was more to her med school breakup than she told William. She said she had no wish to marry the man, but perhaps HE was the one who rejected HER after he learned that she was carrying his child! Perhaps that whole situation both physically and mentally scarred her so badly that she never really recovered from it. Holyyyyyyyyy........ you've hit on something. Why haven't we thought of this before. Nice one, CC. I do think Julia was scared of becoming of spinster and had regrets later in life, but if she wasn't the one who made the decision about that break up, it would diminish a bit of the break through nature of her character. In most Victorian stories women are seduced and betrayed: this is the first one where we've seen "women had to make hard choices to go to university and become a doctor". But perhaps she had to wish to marry him because he showed no signs of loving her or wanting to marry her. Julia does show a pattern of predicting the outcome and running away first. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 17:25:10 GMT
Poor Julia, she just didn't know enough to know that Miss Pensell was no threat to her-quite the progression to MiLW where William has sex dreams about other women and she's more amused than anything.  Things are different when they are dating. Julia never seemed threatened by Sally, either, though William (guiltily?) thought she might be. However, during Season 2, both William and Julia are always having awkward moments when they spot the other with a possible rival. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 17:35:57 GMT
I have a theory: I don't think Julia handles rejection well, and rather than deal with it, she ends discussions before it ever gets to that. This would explain the breakup after the abortion, and it would also explain why she left without saying goodbye when she went to Buffalo (she knew William was busy) and dropping the sterility news on him. She just doesn't give him a chance to reject her-thus avoiding the whole sordid business. Yet she doesn't consider the message she's sending to William, and in the end, hurts herself and two other men (William and Darcy). Yes, William should have written her sooner (in a non-professional capacity) and should have even gone to visit, but William is unsure of himself when it comes to women, and lest we forget, Julia is from a higher class, maybe he thought this was her way of ending things permanently, and doesn't follow her as he wants to respect her wishes. He's waiting for the invitation (man of inaction again) and when it does come and he drops everything to go running to her, she's certainly leading him on. Then, just as our boy gets a chance, she's been meaning to mention that she's engaged, which I think is really quite cruel of her. Plus, she marries Darcy (when she was still in love in someone else) which as much as we don't like Darcy, was another cruel thing to do. I totally agree with this - Julia has a habit of making preemptive strikes on rejection. And I think telling William she was engaged was going to be another one. Even though she tried to make a clean break, CC pointed out she was looking back on the train, and she was probably expecting some pleading from William via letter. He managed to reject her indirectly by not doing that, so she was going to rise above it by showing off her engagement. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 14, 2014 17:45:41 GMT
Holyyyyyyyyy........ you've hit on something. Why haven't we thought of this before. Nice one, CC. I do think Julia was scared of becoming of spinster and had regrets later in life, but if she wasn't the one who made the decision about that break up, it would diminish a bit of the break through nature of her character. In most Victorian stories women are seduced and betrayed: this is the first one where we've seen "women had to make hard choices to go to university and become a doctor". But perhaps she had to wish to marry him because he showed no signs of loving her or wanting to marry her. Julia does show a pattern of predicting the outcome and running away first. Yeah it is a much more cliched scenario but based on her later actions, it kinda fits better. In Julia's scenario it sounds like they didn't know each other that well and it was a drunken one night stand sort of thing. A mistake. Or an experiment. In the cliched scenario, they could have been dating for awhile, she could have actually been madly in love with him, and then after being rejected horribly, she goes and gets an abortion any way she can in her heartbreak. Whereas if she wasn't in love with him and doesn't tell him that she is pregnant and just goes and gets an abortion, well, what exactly was her huge rush to get rid of it? Why would she just go to the first guy who would perform the procedure? She had connections...she was wealthy...why not take some time and use those connections to find someone who would do a good job after Isaac refused? The only thing that makes sense here is that she didn't want to lose her nerve. That's the only way it makes sense in her scenario. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 17:55:23 GMT
I always scream at the screen "What about William's heart!!!" I couldn't believe she could be so uncaring about William when she's supposed to love him still. Who the hell cares about Darcy's heart! I think in her mind, William broke her heart by not pursuing marriage with her sooner and by not coming after her in Buffalo. Whenever William wanted to renew their relationship it seemed like he just needed her as a sounding board. She wasn't sure of his feelings at all. By the time she did start to get the sense she had broken William's heart - by seeing that he hadn't pursued another relationship, by hearing Anna's comments - she had already made the commitment to Darcy. She had invested months into that relationship and planned to marry that man: she thought she loved him. Despite all that, the moment she had proof of William's feelings written in his own words - the proposal - she told William if he still felt the same today she wouldn't go through with the wedding. In hindsight, Murdoch in Wonderland is a pretty romantic Jilliam episode even if the ending is a tragedy. Julia finally got some confirmation of William's feelings, and William sacrificed himself for what he thought would be Julia's happiness. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 18:00:15 GMT
In Julia's scenario it sounds like they didn't know each other that well and it was a drunken one night stand sort of thing. A mistake. Or an experiment. In the cliched scenario, they could have been dating for awhile, she could have actually been madly in love with him, and then after being rejected horribly, she goes and gets an abortion any way she can in her heartbreak. Whereas if she wasn't in love with him and doesn't tell him that she is pregnant and just goes and gets an abortion, well, what exactly was her huge rush to get rid of it? Why would she just go to the first guy who would perform the procedure? She had connections...she was wealthy...why not take some time and use those connections to find someone who would do a good job after Isaac refused? The only thing that makes sense here is that she didn't want to lose her nerve. That's the only way it makes sense in her scenario. It's also possible that this was one of her "preemptive strikes", and in later years she came to realize she didn't know whether the guy would have married her or not. But at the time it was emotionally safer to think of it as a fling, and she panicked and got the abortion instead of talking to the guy and risking rejection. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 14, 2014 18:01:50 GMT
I do think Julia was scared of becoming of spinster and had regrets later in life, but if she wasn't the one who made the decision about that break up, it would diminish a bit of the break through nature of her character. In most Victorian stories women are seduced and betrayed: this is the first one where we've seen "women had to make hard choices to go to university and become a doctor". But perhaps she had to wish to marry him because he showed no signs of loving her or wanting to marry her. Julia does show a pattern of predicting the outcome and running away first. Yeah it is a much more cliched scenario but based on her later actions, it kinda fits better. In Julia's scenario it sounds like they didn't know each other that well and it was a drunken one night stand sort of thing. A mistake. Or an experiment. In the cliched scenario, they could have been dating for awhile, she could have actually been madly in love with him, and then after being rejected horribly, she goes and gets an abortion any way she can in her heartbreak. Whereas if she wasn't in love with him and doesn't tell him that she is pregnant and just goes and gets an abortion, well, what exactly was her huge rush to get rid of it? Why would she just go to the first guy who would perform the procedure? She had connections...she was wealthy...why not take some time and use those connections to find someone who would do a good job after Isaac refused? The only thing that makes sense here is that she didn't want to lose her nerve. That's the only way it makes sense in her scenario. This is...wow. Would you please consider writing a fic about this? It needs to be done, that or the writers need to address it in the show-but I doubt that will happen. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 18:07:07 GMT
It did seem like she was stalking William - a bit creepy actually. Hmm - along with her Ruby-imitating there might be a psycho!Julia argument to be made here... I'm just watching the Enid Era with Eclair and Julia really did bring that on herself by trying to punish William for being too slow about coming to terms with her abortion. The initial uncertainty was his fault, but she's the one who turned down the temperature after that. She's really lucky William eventually got up the nerve to make the first move after that! Is she really imitating Ruby, or was it awareness that she was a bit dowdy, and that she needed to sex it up a bit to catch William's attention? By the way, I was just joking about psycho!Julia.  I agree she was trying to look "less dowdy". Though, on the subject of family - rejection by her father might have started Julia's whole rejection complex. Hopefully her studies of Freud gave her a few clues on that. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 14, 2014 19:14:13 GMT
Yeah it is a much more cliched scenario but based on her later actions, it kinda fits better. In Julia's scenario it sounds like they didn't know each other that well and it was a drunken one night stand sort of thing. A mistake. Or an experiment. In the cliched scenario, they could have been dating for awhile, she could have actually been madly in love with him, and then after being rejected horribly, she goes and gets an abortion any way she can in her heartbreak. Whereas if she wasn't in love with him and doesn't tell him that she is pregnant and just goes and gets an abortion, well, what exactly was her huge rush to get rid of it? Why would she just go to the first guy who would perform the procedure? She had connections...she was wealthy...why not take some time and use those connections to find someone who would do a good job after Isaac refused? The only thing that makes sense here is that she didn't want to lose her nerve. That's the only way it makes sense in her scenario. This is...wow. Would you please consider writing a fic about this? It needs to be done, that or the writers need to address it in the show-but I doubt that will happen. I dunno maybe I will. This was kinda just off the top of my head though. Never really thought about it before. But right now I'm writing more Funky Town stuff...I'm kinda regretting reviving that one though. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 14, 2014 19:20:17 GMT
This is...wow. Would you please consider writing a fic about this? It needs to be done, that or the writers need to address it in the show-but I doubt that will happen. I dunno maybe I will. This was kinda just off the top of my head though. Never really thought about it before. But right now I'm writing more Funky Town stuff...I'm kinda regretting reviving that one though. Tee hee! |
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I agree she was trying to look "less dowdy".