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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 14, 2014 19:20:51 GMT
Is she really imitating Ruby, or was it awareness that she was a bit dowdy, and that she needed to sex it up a bit to catch William's attention? By the way, I was just joking about psycho!Julia.  I agree she was trying to look "less dowdy". Though, on the subject of family - rejection by her father might have started Julia's whole rejection complex. Hopefully her studies of Freud gave her a few clues on that. Less tomboyish too. That would be a likely source. Not sure when her mother died, I think she was a young teenager but I'm not sure where I got that impression from. I guess it just seemed like Julia had tried and failed to raise Ruby herself at a fairly young age after Mr. Odgen 'checked out'. If her dad did reject her it might have even had something to do with her looks. Which maybe explains why she is auburn haired in the beginning but then gradually becomes blonder throughout the years....perhaps blonde is her natural colour...I think it's Ruby's anyway...and the auburn was a way to try and distance herself from being the spitting image of her mother. Try to win back her dad's love by not constantly reminding him of what he lost. Edit: then again, we found out he was actually in love with someone else all along so probably this is completely wrong. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 19:46:15 GMT
Less tomboyish too. That would be a likely source. Not sure when her mother died, I think she was a young teenager but I'm not sure where I got that impression from. I guess it just seemed like Julia had tried and failed to raise Ruby herself at a fairly young age after Mr. Odgen 'checked out'. I always thought Julia blamed herself for her mother's death for some reason - but perhaps that's just the cliche that comes with the "cold father". If she thinks Ruby was her father's favorite, doesn't that suggest he was involved in her upbringing? |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 14, 2014 22:39:12 GMT
Less tomboyish too. That would be a likely source. Not sure when her mother died, I think she was a young teenager but I'm not sure where I got that impression from. I guess it just seemed like Julia had tried and failed to raise Ruby herself at a fairly young age after Mr. Odgen 'checked out'. I always thought Julia blamed herself for her mother's death for some reason - but perhaps that's just the cliche that comes with the "cold father". If she thinks Ruby was her father's favorite, doesn't that suggest he was involved in her upbringing? Yeah I guess so...or it's just that he shunned Julia for some reason...or Julia perceived that as the case because she was insecure about herself. And I suppose he wouldn't have checked out since she wasn't the love of his life. But yeah, we have no idea why her mother died. It could have been anything. Disease, an accident, childbirth...murder. But I doubt it'd be the latter one especially considering she just solved her father's 'murder'. I'm pretty sure she became a pathologist simply because no one else would hire her....actually that has to be it because that's why she jumped at Buffalo. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 15, 2014 4:35:56 GMT
\ I'm pretty sure she became a pathologist simply because no one else would hire her....actually that has to be it because that's why she jumped at Buffalo. I think I remember her actually saying no one else would hire her. Now I'm curious about Julia's mother. I originally assumed Julia's parents were both alive, and her mother was the pushy country club type. When it came out she was dead, I just assumed she died in childbirth. Now I'm curious what happend to Julia's mother! I'm wondering if Ruby was her favorite, too!  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 15, 2014 5:53:42 GMT
\ I'm pretty sure she became a pathologist simply because no one else would hire her....actually that has to be it because that's why she jumped at Buffalo. I think I remember her actually saying no one else would hire her. Now I'm curious about Julia's mother. I originally assumed Julia's parents were both alive, and her mother was the pushy country club type. When it came out she was dead, I just assumed she died in childbirth. Now I'm curious what happend to Julia's mother! I'm wondering if Ruby was her favorite, too! I half thought Dr. Ogden's big secret was going to be that he had something to do with her death...and he wanted to confess that to Julia before he died. But yeah, I think I had a fic where the history was that she died in childbirth. As long as she too didn't die from consumption, I'm okay. Doyle's wife, Liza...I'm sure others were mentioned. In the books Liza died from Typhoid. It would have killed her way faster but I dunno if that was better or not... Say, do you remember if Arthur Kitchen survived his bout with consumption? (in the final book?) |
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Post by snacky on Sept 15, 2014 6:07:53 GMT
I half thought Dr. Ogden's big secret was going to be that he had something to do with her death...and he wanted to confess that to Julia before he died. But yeah, I think I had a fic where the history was that she died in childbirth. As long as she too didn't die from consumption, I'm okay. Doyle's wife, Liza...I'm sure others were mentioned. In the books Liza died from Typhoid. It would have killed her way faster but I dunno if that was better or not... Say, do you remember if Arthur Kitchen survived his bout with consumption? (in the final book?) I've only read 2 of the books that were currently available at the library when I was looking for them. I didn't really like them enough to hunt the others down. I hope Arthur survived - he seemed like a sweet guy.  Another thought was her mother wasn't really dead: rather she noted the lack of love coming from her husband and ran off with another man. Perhaps she even sued for divorce! Then perhaps her father was cold because he sensed she inherited the same independent spirit as his wife. Especially after he'd sacrificed and done the proper thing. OMG, what if she died of a venereal disease. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 15, 2014 6:41:14 GMT
By the way, I was just joking about psycho!Julia. I agree she was trying to look "less dowdy". Though, on the subject of family - rejection by her father might have started Julia's whole rejection complex. Hopefully her studies of Freud gave her a few clues on that. Less tomboyish too. That would be a likely source. Not sure when her mother died, I think she was a young teenager but I'm not sure where I got that impression from. I guess it just seemed like Julia had tried and failed to raise Ruby herself at a fairly young age after Mr. Odgen 'checked out'. If her dad did reject her it might have even had something to do with her looks. Which maybe explains why she is auburn haired in the beginning but then gradually becomes blonder throughout the years....perhaps blonde is her natural colour...I think it's Ruby's anyway...and the auburn was a way to try and distance herself from being the spitting image of her mother. Try to win back her dad's love by not constantly reminding him of what he lost. Edit: then again, we found out he was actually in love with someone else all along so probably this is completely wrong. So, the issue of Julia's hair color was getting to me, and I had to look it up. Apparently, women were using hydrogen peroxide as hair color as early as 1860, but the first synthetic hair dye wasn't invented until 1907. In other words, it's plausible. www.regissalons.com/trend/hair-color-history/ |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 15, 2014 18:52:04 GMT
I half thought Dr. Ogden's big secret was going to be that he had something to do with her death...and he wanted to confess that to Julia before he died. But yeah, I think I had a fic where the history was that she died in childbirth. As long as she too didn't die from consumption, I'm okay. Doyle's wife, Liza...I'm sure others were mentioned. In the books Liza died from Typhoid. It would have killed her way faster but I dunno if that was better or not... Say, do you remember if Arthur Kitchen survived his bout with consumption? (in the final book?) I've only read 2 of the books that were currently available at the library when I was looking for them. I didn't really like them enough to hunt the others down. I hope Arthur survived - he seemed like a sweet guy. Another thought was her mother wasn't really dead: rather she noted the lack of love coming from her husband and ran off with another man. Perhaps she even sued for divorce! Then perhaps her father was cold because he sensed she inherited the same independent spirit as his wife. Especially after he'd sacrificed and done the proper thing. OMG, what if she died of a venereal disease. I thought (for the most part) that they got better as they went along...though I didn't care at all for Vices of My Blood, which I think was the penultimate one. Anyway, Arthur goes off to some retreat by the lake? where a bunch of consumptives are...and apparently the fresh air was helping. If I don't remember him dying, then I guess it didn't happen. But it probably did after the series ended...she probably just wanted to end on a happy note though with Murdoch's family coming into being. Wow that sounds pretty similar to William and Julia's situation! Talk about history repeating itself! Hmm, well Ruby is rather promiscuous...perhaps a trait she inherited?  |
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Post by snacky on Sept 16, 2014 3:52:58 GMT
Wow that sounds pretty similar to William and Julia's situation! Talk about history repeating itself! Hmm, well Ruby is rather promiscuous...perhaps a trait she inherited? See how unoriginal my thinking is? Better get in there with your own! Though it would be tragic if a lot of Julia's neuroses came from a lie her father told about her mother, and she didn't realize how much she had in common... Ps. I got the veneral disease thought from The Knick, which had a woman who lost her nose because she caught syphilis from her husband. Apparently New York had a "no noses" club for syphilis victims: It's true - I vaguely remember reading something about that when I was studying history! This reminded me of the theory that Julia was concerned about STDs when she was putting off William in The Green Muse ( if that really happened...). It occurred to me that the characters have gotten off remarkably unscathed in this regard, and it would have been a most scandalous way for a proper wife to die. Anyway, just throwing that in the mix if that can be considered without it recapitulating Julia's own story. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 16, 2014 5:02:03 GMT
Wow that sounds pretty similar to William and Julia's situation! Talk about history repeating itself! Hmm, well Ruby is rather promiscuous...perhaps a trait she inherited? See how unoriginal my thinking is? Better get in there with your own! Though it would be tragic if a lot of Julia's neuroses came from a lie her father told about her mother, and she didn't realize how much she had in common... Ps. I got the veneral disease thought from The Knick, which had a woman who lost her nose because she caught syphilis from her husband. Apparently New York had a "no noses" club for syphilis victims: It's true - I vaguely remember reading something about that when I was studying history! This reminded me of the theory that Julia was concerned about STDs when she was putting off William in The Green Muse ( if that really happened...). It occurred to me that the characters have gotten off remarkably unscathed in this regard, and it would have been a most scandalous way for a proper wife to die. Anyway, just throwing that in the mix if that can be considered without it recapitulating Julia's own story. But it's not like the main characters are sleeping around all the time...so why is it so surprising? |
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Post by snacky on Sept 16, 2014 5:48:16 GMT
But it's not like the main characters are sleeping around all the time...so why is it so surprising? Well, there it is. Indirect proof of The 40 Year Old Virgin Theory. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 7:47:10 GMT
I've only read 2 of the books that were currently available at the library when I was looking for them. I didn't really like them enough to hunt the others down. I hope Arthur survived - he seemed like a sweet guy. Another thought was her mother wasn't really dead: rather she noted the lack of love coming from her husband and ran off with another man. Perhaps she even sued for divorce! Then perhaps her father was cold because he sensed she inherited the same independent spirit as his wife. Especially after he'd sacrificed and done the proper thing. OMG, what if she died of a venereal disease. Wow that sounds pretty similar to William and Julia's situation! Talk about history repeating itself! Hmm, well Ruby is rather promiscuous...perhaps a trait she inherited? In the books as you say, Arthur and Beatrice leave for a consumptive retreat and never return. William becomes the one in charge of the boarding house, where lots of true love happens. The last book is called A Journeyman to Grief. Arthur Kitchen was also alive in the movies. He has not made it into the series universe, so I just assumed he passed. But maybe the writers will reveal more at some time. |
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Post by lizmc on Jun 11, 2015 4:38:19 GMT
I always assumed his main aversion to the stuff was his fear of turning into his father...but maybe I'm wrong about that and something else happened at the logging camp that turned him off the stuff. He did say in SotWS part 2 that he developed a taste for Spruce Beer in Nova Scotia...so clearly he did drink at one point in his life... Lol except he was only in Nova Scotia from infancy until like age twelve...so either he was a drunk as a kid or the writers goofed on that location. Then again, New Brunswick doesn't make much more sense since he was staying with Jesuit Priests at the time...  This is why I have my suspicions about the clear liquid on the counter. Spruce beer can be alcoholic or non-alcoholic: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spruce_beerThose writers be funning with us again. I bet William (with hat on) could get drunk off a non-alcoholic beverage. Spruce beer is making a bit of a comeback among craft breweries producing old traditional recipes. It was primarily a remedy and preventative measure for scurvy.......I remember reading an article some time ago about the settlers who came to New France with Jacques Cartier getting scurvy in the first winter and the Iroquois introducing them to spruce beer and spruce tea.......instead for giving "the Savages" credit for saving them, they said it was an act of god.......nothing much changed in the European settlers' attitude towards the First Nations over the next few centuries.......
(And yes, I'm combatting Murdoch Withdrawal by reading through all the past seasons.....)
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Post by synapse on Dec 1, 2016 5:58:26 GMT
Can we just take a moment and think about William's lie detector? I wish they'd put more detail into it. I mean, he invented it some 25 years before its time! How cool is that?!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 1:54:04 GMT
Can we just take a moment and think about William's lie detector? I wish they'd put more detail into it. I mean, he invented it some 25 years before its time! How cool is that?! Well he did an updated version this season as well! That was great too. |
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I agree she was trying to look "less dowdy".
