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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 14, 2014 5:14:06 GMT
Lol, I think a made a joke once that she was stalking him for awhile cuz she was jealous of him and Pensell's relationship. Perhaps Pensell was by his bedside every day when Julia came in to change his bandages? If that's the case, she would have been uber when Enid went and did the same thing. Well, the North American order did have it that way...the fire was after the arrow...that's why I originally said it made more sense in the original order...but I can see how it would work both ways. Edit: found the joke: holy-lakemonster-batman.tumblr.com/post/82866332432/so-julia-didnt-go-with-william-to-the-filmIt did seem like she was stalking William - a bit creepy actually.  Hmm - along with her Ruby-imitating there might be a psycho!Julia argument to be made here... I'm just watching the Enid Era with Eclair and Julia really did bring that on herself by trying to punish William for being too slow about coming to terms with her abortion. The initial uncertainty was his fault, but she's the one who turned down the temperature after that. She's really lucky William eventually got up the nerve to make the first move after that! Maybe the REAL reason she studied psychiatry was so that she could learn to better hide her psychotic tendencies. Dr. Crazy and Mrs. Murdoch... (ie. Dr. Jekyll...) I mean, she did kill a man. And once she got a taste she never looked back. So Gillies managed to escape all those times cuz she was working with him...or the Dr. Crazy part was...maybe she even helped him decapitate Robert Perry? Okay this is what happens when it's past my bedtime. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 5:20:07 GMT
Maybe the REAL reason she studied psychiatry was so that she could learn to better hide her psychotic tendencies. Dr. Crazy and Mrs. Murdoch... (ie. Dr. Jekyll...) I mean, she did kill a man. And once she got a taste she never looked back. So Gillies managed to escape all those times cuz she was working with him...or the Dr. Crazy part was...maybe she even helped him decapitate Robert Perry? Okay this is what happens when it's past my bedtime. Maybe Julia was the REAL mastermind behind the Rembrandt heist! |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 14, 2014 5:20:57 GMT
She really did set herself up for everything she got during that time and she can't say that William didn't try but when he was shot down I think he just gave up. Then Enid turned up and he figured better her than no one. Still can't figure the attraction. I have to say that I did enjoy Julia's discomfort during that period, she deserved it, she really didn't give William a chance to work it all out and as we know he needs time to process the relationship stuff. In Julia's defense though, it was the first time they'd found themselves in that situation. The second time, when she left for Buffalo, she should have known William would need time to process it. In rewatching it, I think William did take to long to make a move toward making things all right after the abortion discussion: and he was rude to Julia first. But she closed the door definitively when she turned down the battery exhibition date, so it should have come as no surprise that he tried to move on. I think William went for Enid as the "anti-Julia": he would be an instant family man if he married her. In the past I always thought that William was describing Julia as the "perfect woman" for the telegrapher bait in Murdoch.com - but now I think he might have been comparing Enid: especially when he says "Career woman: not selfishly so." Julia pursued her career selfishly when she gave up her child: Enid was smart and independent enough to have a career, but she gave it up when she needed to focus on raising her son. Perhaps at that minute William was even wondering where he would fall on Julia's list of priorities. (This gives additional meaning to William's hopeful look when he thinks Julia's comment on the Salvias means she is "thinking of him", too!) I totally agree that Julia should have learned something about how William processes relationship information the first time around. She also knew he was busy with a case when she fled for Buffalo: I can only believe she did that on purpose because she didn't want William to negotiate with her once she had accepted the offer. It was very cruel to William, though. They both would have been spared a lot of pain if they had actually talked about marriage earlier, though. This whole thing always confuses me cuz the way the ep goes it looks like she leaves first thing the morning after the death ray chase...but then in the S4 finale she tells Ruby that he had and I quote, "Every opportunity to say these things to me before I left for Buffalo." Sooooo that makes it sound like it was actually days if not weeks inbetween the two events. Either that or Julia's idea of 'every opportunity' is very bad. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 5:28:07 GMT
This whole thing always confuses me cuz the way the ep goes it looks like she leaves first thing the morning after the death ray chase...but then in the S4 finale she tells Ruby that he had and I quote, "Every opportunity to say these things to me before I left for Buffalo." Sooooo that makes it sound like it was actually days if not weeks inbetween the two events. Either that or Julia's idea of 'every opportunity' is very bad. I think what she meant is William had every opportunity to declare his love and propose in the months they were dating before she even entertained the decision of taking another job. There wasn't enough time for William to talk to Julia right before she left, and I think she snuck off on purpose. She had already accepted the job, and she didn't want William talking her out of it or making her doubt herself. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 14, 2014 5:39:54 GMT
This whole thing always confuses me cuz the way the ep goes it looks like she leaves first thing the morning after the death ray chase...but then in the S4 finale she tells Ruby that he had and I quote, "Every opportunity to say these things to me before I left for Buffalo." Sooooo that makes it sound like it was actually days if not weeks inbetween the two events. Either that or Julia's idea of 'every opportunity' is very bad. I think what she meant is William had every opportunity to declare his love and propose in the months they were dating before she even entertained the decision of taking another job. There wasn't enough time for William to talk to Julia right before she left, and I think she snuck off on purpose. She had already accepted the job, and she didn't want William talking her out of it or making her doubt herself. I guess that has to be what she meant, nothing else makes any sense. But still glancing over her shoulder half hoping he'd somehow come to stop her...did she leave a note in his office the night before? Cuz the 'good' ending had her getting off the train, all like rolling her eyes and being like, "Ugh, why didn't he get here in time? It's not like I left the note on his desk last minute or anything. All right, I'll wait here for a bit and if he doesn't show up before the next train, leave for sure....maybe." |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 5:44:32 GMT
But still glancing over her shoulder half hoping he'd somehow come to stop her...did she leave a note in his office the night before? Cuz the 'good' ending had her getting off the train, all like rolling her eyes and being like, "Ugh, why didn't he get here in time? It's not like I left the note on his desk last minute or anything. All right, I'll wait here for a bit and if he doesn't show up before the next train, leave for sure....maybe." I think the "good" ending was just a bonus track for shippers. It would have looked tacked on if the show had ended on that episode and the writers had to use it. I think it was just a wistful look for something magical to happen. For things to have been different. She loved William, and she had expected to marry him. Then the proposal didn't come, and he started becoming obvious that children were part of his fantasies, too. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 14, 2014 5:52:23 GMT
But still glancing over her shoulder half hoping he'd somehow come to stop her...did she leave a note in his office the night before? Cuz the 'good' ending had her getting off the train, all like rolling her eyes and being like, "Ugh, why didn't he get here in time? It's not like I left the note on his desk last minute or anything. All right, I'll wait here for a bit and if he doesn't show up before the next train, leave for sure....maybe." I think the "good" ending was just a bonus track for shippers. It would have looked tacked on if the show had ended on that episode and the writers had to use it. I think it was just a wistful look for something magical to happen. For things to have been different. She loved William, and she had expected to marry him. Then the proposal didn't come, and he started becoming obvious that children were part of his fantasies, too. Well, then I guess it's a good thing it didn't get cancelled that season...though personally I didn't have a problem with the alternate ending...but it would have sucked seeing Murdoch heartbroken as the last scene ever. I'm just going to 'think' everything you do now because you seem to have thought of every angle.  |
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Post by snacky on Sept 14, 2014 5:55:05 GMT
Well, then I guess it's a good thing it didn't get cancelled that season...though personally I didn't have a problem with the alternate ending...but it would have sucked seeing Murdoch heartbroken as the last scene ever. I'm just going to 'think' everything you do now because you seem to have thought of every angle. Well that's no fun! Think your own thoughts!  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 14, 2014 11:50:30 GMT
It did seem like she was stalking William - a bit creepy actually. Hmm - along with her Ruby-imitating there might be a psycho!Julia argument to be made here... I'm just watching the Enid Era with Eclair and Julia really did bring that on herself by trying to punish William for being too slow about coming to terms with her abortion. The initial uncertainty was his fault, but she's the one who turned down the temperature after that. She's really lucky William eventually got up the nerve to make the first move after that! She really did set herself up for everything she got during that time and she can't say that William didn't try but when he was shot down I think he just gave up. Then Enid turned up and he figured better her than no one. Still can't figure the attraction. I have to say that I did enjoy Julia's discomfort during that period, she deserved it, she really didn't give William a chance to work it all out and as we know he needs time to process the relationship stuff. In Julia's defense though, it was the first time they'd found themselves in that situation. The second time, when she left for Buffalo, she should have known William would need time to process it. I get she was hurt that he didn't immediately reassure her that all was well, but that was a huge bombshell she dropped on him and didn't really give him time to process the whole thing. All the more so given the era in which this happened (ca. 1896). Unfortunately, it's not the last time she does this. So yeah, I agree that after William gets shot down for attempting peace, an opportunity for moving on drops into his lap-and its someone who's pursuing him-meaning he doesn't have to do anything (his comfort zone). Enid made it easy, and she was fast-she was looking for a new husband yesterday. Plus, I think that William cared for Alwin and Enid was part of the package-he didn't have anything better going, so he just went along. However, our boy figures out pretty quickly that she's not doing it for him, and breaks it off with her before he even knows he'll get Julia back. That was a big step-even bigger that he stalked Julia and approached/confronted her at a rather inopportune time. He's finally starting to become a man of action, and then he gets her back, and goes right back into his old role of waiting for her to make it known that it's time for him to do something else. Julia gets tired of waiting, and leaves. It seems that neither of them learned anything from the first breakup, and only finally learned their lessons after it was too late. Rinse and repeat. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 14, 2014 12:00:02 GMT
I always thought the meeting in the park was a bit too coincidental. It would have been nice if the writers had given Julia an excuse: some scheduled meeting to check on William - perhaps even officially to see how soon he could return to duty. I agree it also would have been nice if Julia's near breakdown after the fire could have been connected to that previous near-miss trauma. Let's pretend it was. Lol, I think a made a joke once that she was stalking him for awhile cuz she was jealous of him and Pensell's relationship. Perhaps Pensell was by his bedside every day when Julia came in to change his bandages? If that's the case, she would have been uber when Enid went and did the same thing. Well, the North American order did have it that way...the fire was after the arrow...that's why I originally said it made more sense in the original order...but I can see how it would work both ways. Edit: found the joke: holy-lakemonster-batman.tumblr.com/post/82866332432/so-julia-didnt-go-with-william-to-the-filmHee! I always thought that she was stalking William as well.-but I guess I thought it was "psychocute"-something my college friends and I did -you know where we drove by the houses/apartments of our interests just to check in on them. Psycho, because it was technically stalking, and cute, because we were never going to harm anyone. We did catch a couple of cheaters that way. Poor Julia, she just didn't know enough to know that Miss Pensell was no threat to her-quite the progression to MiLW where William has sex dreams about other women and she's more amused than anything. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 14, 2014 12:04:10 GMT
Lol, I think a made a joke once that she was stalking him for awhile cuz she was jealous of him and Pensell's relationship. Perhaps Pensell was by his bedside every day when Julia came in to change his bandages? If that's the case, she would have been uber when Enid went and did the same thing. Well, the North American order did have it that way...the fire was after the arrow...that's why I originally said it made more sense in the original order...but I can see how it would work both ways. Edit: found the joke: holy-lakemonster-batman.tumblr.com/post/82866332432/so-julia-didnt-go-with-william-to-the-filmIt did seem like she was stalking William - a bit creepy actually. Hmm - along with her Ruby-imitating there might be a psycho!Julia argument to be made here... I'm just watching the Enid Era with Eclair and Julia really did bring that on herself by trying to punish William for being too slow about coming to terms with her abortion. The initial uncertainty was his fault, but she's the one who turned down the temperature after that. She's really lucky William eventually got up the nerve to make the first move after that! Is she really imitating Ruby, or was it awareness that she was a bit dowdy, and that she needed to sex it up a bit to catch William's attention? |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 14, 2014 12:49:25 GMT
She really did set herself up for everything she got during that time and she can't say that William didn't try but when he was shot down I think he just gave up. Then Enid turned up and he figured better her than no one. Still can't figure the attraction. I have to say that I did enjoy Julia's discomfort during that period, she deserved it, she really didn't give William a chance to work it all out and as we know he needs time to process the relationship stuff. In Julia's defense though, it was the first time they'd found themselves in that situation. The second time, when she left for Buffalo, she should have known William would need time to process it. In rewatching it, I think William did take to long to make a move toward making things all right after the abortion discussion: and he was rude to Julia first. But she closed the door definitively when she turned down the battery exhibition date, so it should have come as no surprise that he tried to move on. I think William went for Enid as the "anti-Julia": he would be an instant family man if he married her. In the past I always thought that William was describing Julia as the "perfect woman" for the telegrapher bait in Murdoch.com - but now I think he might have been comparing Enid: especially when he says "Career woman: not selfishly so." Julia pursued her career selfishly when she gave up her child: Enid was smart and independent enough to have a career, but she gave it up when she needed to focus on raising her son. Perhaps at that minute William was even wondering where he would fall on Julia's list of priorities. (This gives additional meaning to William's hopeful look when he thinks Julia's comment on the Salvias means she is "thinking of him", too!) I totally agree that Julia should have learned something about how William processes relationship information the first time around. She also knew he was busy with a case when she fled for Buffalo: I can only believe she did that on purpose because she didn't want William to negotiate with her once she had accepted the offer. It was very cruel to William, though. They both would have been spared a lot of pain if they had actually talked about marriage earlier, though. I have a theory: I don't think Julia handles rejection well, and rather than deal with it, she ends discussions before it ever gets to that. This would explain the breakup after the abortion, and it would also explain why she left without saying goodbye when she went to Buffalo (she knew William was busy) and dropping the sterility news on him. She just doesn't give him a chance to reject her-thus avoiding the whole sordid business. Yet she doesn't consider the message she's sending to William, and in the end, hurts herself and two other men (William and Darcy). Yes, William should have written her sooner (in a non-professional capacity) and should have even gone to visit, but William is unsure of himself when it comes to women, and lest we forget, Julia is from a higher class, maybe he thought this was her way of ending things permanently, and doesn't follow her as he wants to respect her wishes. He's waiting for the invitation (man of inaction again) and when it does come and he drops everything to go running to her, she's certainly leading him on. Then, just as our boy gets a chance, she's been meaning to mention that she's engaged, which I think is really quite cruel of her. Plus, she marries Darcy (when she was still in love in someone else) which as much as we don't like Darcy, was another cruel thing to do. I like Julia, but as much as William has his character flaws-this is one of hers. All because she doesn't want to experience rejection. For all her bravery in accomplishing what she has, she's a chicken when it comes to love. So is he for that matter. *knocks both of their heads together* |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 14, 2014 12:57:08 GMT
It did seem like she was stalking William - a bit creepy actually. Hmm - along with her Ruby-imitating there might be a psycho!Julia argument to be made here... I'm just watching the Enid Era with Eclair and Julia really did bring that on herself by trying to punish William for being too slow about coming to terms with her abortion. The initial uncertainty was his fault, but she's the one who turned down the temperature after that. She's really lucky William eventually got up the nerve to make the first move after that! Maybe the REAL reason she studied psychiatry was so that she could learn to better hide her psychotic tendencies. Dr. Crazy and Mrs. Murdoch... (ie. Dr. Jekyll...) I mean, she did kill a man. And once she got a taste she never looked back. So Gillies managed to escape all those times cuz she was working with him...or the Dr. Crazy part was...maybe she even helped him decapitate Robert Perry? Okay this is what happens when it's past my bedtime. Physician, heal thyself! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 14, 2014 13:00:00 GMT
Maybe the REAL reason she studied psychiatry was so that she could learn to better hide her psychotic tendencies. Dr. Crazy and Mrs. Murdoch... (ie. Dr. Jekyll...) I mean, she did kill a man. And once she got a taste she never looked back. So Gillies managed to escape all those times cuz she was working with him...or the Dr. Crazy part was...maybe she even helped him decapitate Robert Perry? Okay this is what happens when it's past my bedtime. Maybe Julia was the REAL mastermind behind the Rembrandt heist! Julia as the ultimate criminal mastermind-even more so that Sally/Eva? Oh, myyyyyyyy
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 14, 2014 13:45:55 GMT
I think what she meant is William had every opportunity to declare his love and propose in the months they were dating before she even entertained the decision of taking another job. There wasn't enough time for William to talk to Julia right before she left, and I think she snuck off on purpose. She had already accepted the job, and she didn't want William talking her out of it or making her doubt herself. I guess that has to be what she meant, nothing else makes any sense. But still glancing over her shoulder half hoping he'd somehow come to stop her...did she leave a note in his office the night before? Cuz the 'good' ending had her getting off the train, all like rolling her eyes and being like, "Ugh, why didn't he get here in time? It's not like I left the note on his desk last minute or anything. All right, I'll wait here for a bit and if he doesn't show up before the next train, leave for sure....maybe." This makes the most sense. But still, this waiting for him to show up to stop her from leaving/marrying Darcy annoys me. For a strong woman, she's awfully passive in some of the biggest issues in her life. |
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