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Post by carco on Jan 28, 2014 23:24:46 GMT
This was a quite enjoyable episode although I didn't relish watxhing poor George getting a sling through the heart. Who ever sent those notes to Julia probably suspected how she would react by trying to investigate on her own. That's a good point actually, about the notes to Julia & the author knowing she'd try to investigate on her own. It's reminded me of something. In Last Train to Kingston, there was no one else in the bar car when Gillies told Julia he wasn't done with her yet. Well except for the old constable who William chastised when he came upon Julia with Gillies. Not even Murdoch heard Gillies say that to her. She did speak with Wm and the Inspector after Wm pulled her out of there but no indication then or since that she told Wm what Gillies said. The photos and notes she's getting seem to be follow through on that threat but who else would know to do that to her? Based on that threat, Julia would consider this very personal. He killed her husband and now he's got her in his sites. As far as she is concerned this is just between her and Gillies. Which would explain why she hasn't involved anyone else. It's something only Gillies would know (and the constable who was in the car at the time....surely it's not him!!) Up to now, I didn't think it was Gillies behind it all. But now I'm not so sure, maybe he is. |
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Post by carco on Jan 28, 2014 23:36:43 GMT
I liked the sting. Basically any time there's a con I like it cuz you never really know what's going on or who is playing who. I liked the hilarious outfits and accents. Higgins overacted his part so much it was amazing. His incompetence streak is ongoing. While funny, I kind of wish it would stop. It was also funny how Brax got infatuated with yet another famous (infamous in this case) lady! That's got to be like the fifth one since the show started. Strangely things didn't end well with her. (do they ever?) Not a good ep for the couples. But I think everyone was expecting that (at least to some degree) given last weeks ending. Still it was pretty devastating when the predictable horrible event(s) happened. Like I said last week, it will be Brax who will come to the rescue! My only real complaint was that it ended on another (dare I say worse) cliffhanger and we have to wait 5 weeks! :/ One super important question. When did they change the phones? (seriously though, I wanna know). Just conjecture regarding the phones..The "new phone" was in the "lawyer's office". Lawyers would likely have the money (profits) to have the newest models of anything. Meanwhile at Station 4 and Julia's office, they would probably keep their phones until they didn't work anymore. I agree with all your other comments. Great episode but a noticeable theme running through it... women can look you in the eye and still deceive, betrothals, coniving ladies and scotch! |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 28, 2014 23:57:45 GMT
This was a quite enjoyable episode although I didn't relish watxhing poor George getting a sling through the heart. Who ever sent those notes to Julia probably suspected how she would react by trying to investigate on her own. That's a good point actually, about the notes to Julia & the author knowing she'd try to investigate on her own. It's reminded me of something. In Last Train to Kingston, there was no one else in the bar car when Gillies told Julia he wasn't done with her yet. Well except for the old constable who William chastised when he came upon Julia with Gillies. Not even Murdoch heard Gillies say that to her. She did speak with Wm and the Inspector after Wm pulled her out of there but no indication then or since that she told Wm what Gillies said. The photos and notes she's getting seem to be follow through on that threat but who else would know to do that to her? Based on that threat, Julia would consider this very personal. He killed her husband and now he's got her in his sites. As far as she is concerned this is just between her and Gillies. Which would explain why she hasn't involved anyone else. It's something only Gillies would know (and the constable who was in the car at the time....surely it's not him!!) Up to now, I didn't think it was Gillies behind it all. But now I'm not so sure, maybe he is. Well, Julia most likely keeps journals (we know she did when she was younger, ie. Prague trip) so if Leslie or the person he's working with (he has to have an accomplice- NOT Gillies- to have taken that second blackmail photo) broke into Julia's house and stole/read these journals...well they'd know things that no one else does! And Leslie is living in a house that Julia passes by everyday to go to work (she complained about Darcy deliberately purchasing it to annoy her). My point is that it would be very easy for him to know when she wasn't home. And we'll assume she doesn't have a maid there 24/7 either. Though, he could have just bribed a maid to give him the journals...that would be a lot easier now that I think of it, but riskier if she tattled. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 29, 2014 0:04:23 GMT
I liked the sting. Basically any time there's a con I like it cuz you never really know what's going on or who is playing who. I liked the hilarious outfits and accents. Higgins overacted his part so much it was amazing. His incompetence streak is ongoing. While funny, I kind of wish it would stop. It was also funny how Brax got infatuated with yet another famous (infamous in this case) lady! That's got to be like the fifth one since the show started. Strangely things didn't end well with her. (do they ever?) Not a good ep for the couples. But I think everyone was expecting that (at least to some degree) given last weeks ending. Still it was pretty devastating when the predictable horrible event(s) happened. Like I said last week, it will be Brax who will come to the rescue! My only real complaint was that it ended on another (dare I say worse) cliffhanger and we have to wait 5 weeks! :/ One super important question. When did they change the phones? (seriously though, I wanna know). Just conjecture regarding the phones..The "new phone" was in the "lawyer's office". Lawyers would likely have the money (profits) to have the newest models of anything. Meanwhile at Station 4 and Julia's office, they would probably keep their phones until they didn't work anymore. While that does make sense, I do seem to recall Brax's phone was of the newer variety too. Mostly I was just surprised to see those modern phones as I didn't recall them being like that in the last ep! I hope they weren't like that the whole season or I'm not very observant.  |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jan 29, 2014 0:27:25 GMT
After having found the picture of William, Julia understands that she has no choice anymore if she wants to protect him. She can't tell William, she must stop investigating of her own and worse she can't agree his proposal. She's stuck.
Indeed she realised that whoever who blackmails her and threatens them -GILLIES or someone else- this one proved to her that he was able to be very closed to William without arousing any undue attention; the picture of William was taken a few meters from him, within the station house 4, just in front of his own office. Now she knows for certain that he could easily approach William and kill him.
The last scene is just grandiose, I loved it!
To finish, I have the impression that the producers/writers make us to think that Lesley could be behind this.
- Lesley might have a desire of revenge against Julia and William.
- This character is unfriendly.
- Lesley pretends to like Julia and William.
- He met Julia and William by chance when they just walk out from the french restaurant and so we could say that he might fallow and/or watch them.
- He offered Julia tickets for the opera.
- To bring William the tickets is another opportunity for him to come and go to the station house 4 without being noticed.
- The letter is typed.
- Lesley has a camera (he took pictures in Loch Ness Murdoch).
But it seems so obvious and a litle bit too much obvious that I can believe this theory. It would be no surprises.
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Post by murdochic on Jan 29, 2014 0:38:58 GMT
Actually, I don't think the writers want us to think Lesley is behind it. They want us to believe it's Gillies which is why they're using his real voice to do the read out of the letters. Lesley is just being sold as Emily's love interest right now. But as MM are kind of obvious with who the culprits are then it likely is Lesley. Gillies probably is alive but I don't think he's behind this. He uses recordings of his voice, video or he'd even use phone calls. Letters and nothing else make it more likely that it's not him.
In Lesley's case they have to leave clues as if and when he's revealed as the blackmailer they won't want it feeling random for the viewers.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 29, 2014 1:34:56 GMT
Actually, I don't think the writers want us to think Lesley is behind it. They want us to believe it's Gillies which is why they're using his real voice to do the read out of the letters. Lesley is just being sold as Emily's love interest right now. But as MM are kind of obvious with who the culprits are then it likely is Lesley. Gillies probably is alive but I don't think he's behind this. He uses recordings of his voice, video or he'd even use phone calls. Letters and nothing else make it more likely that it's not him. In Lesley's case they have to leave clues as if and when he's revealed as the blackmailer they won't want it feeling random for the viewers. Yeah I agree. People keep saying it's too obvious that Leslie is behind it but I keep saying, how is Gillies less obvious? Now if Leslie was being framed by Gillies then there could be a twist, a stupid one, but a twist nonetheless. In any case it's probably not gonna be a surprise when the blackmailer is finally revealed, unless it's some totally random person...but again that would be utterly stupid. Speaking of clues, I think that whole kissing scene in the station house was staged. Why else would Leslie be there? He used the makeout session as a way to distract everyone so that someone else (a constable?) could take that super close photo of Murdoch. I mean, Murdoch was even more or less standing in the blackmail photo position at the time of the distraction. |
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Post by Keira Desbiens on Jan 29, 2014 1:56:32 GMT
Garland using Gillies as a convenient scapegoat (dead psychopath that already went after Julia many times) is highly probable. Introducing Garland just to steal Grace away from Crabtree would seam very week indeed; so there has to be another storytelling reason for him being there. Garland used Grace because it allows him access to the station.
And he did set up the photo outside the opera so he has to be involved in some way. Garland knowing how dangerous Gillies is would never associate with him (so, I think Gillis is not involved and it's Garland that's doing it all by himself).
I don't think Julia will really break it off; how on earth could she really be sure that Gillies would not kill Murdoch anyway? What better revenge, for her to break off the engagement and have him die anyway? I think the only option is fight back and that's what we will see next.
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Post by andi on Jan 29, 2014 2:45:25 GMT
I felt the same about about pushing the W/J story.....for me it's becoming an old story and I am falling out of interest with it. Poor George! I think George is my favourite.I was surprised that he dumped Emily...hands up if you think Emily took the opportunity to kiss Leslie b/c she really wanted too? I guess we need to wait until March to see what transpires!!
General question: How are you all feeling about this seasons stories?
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Post by murdochic on Jan 29, 2014 3:13:03 GMT
I felt the same about about pushing the W/J story.....for me it's becoming an old story and I am falling out of interest with it. Poor George! I think George is my favourite.I was surprised that he dumped Emily...hands up if you think Emily took the opportunity to kiss Leslie b/c she really wanted too? I guess we need to wait until March to see what transpires!! General question: How are you all feeling about this seasons stories? For me W/J are still the most interesting thing on the show. I wish the writers would stop with the melodramatic ways to keep them apart, but they still give the spark in the show. George/Emily certainly add no spark. Emily definitely wanted to kiss Garland. She kept going back in for more. It's been obvious she's attracted to him. It won't end well for her and him. He's a bad guy in one way or another. As for her and George they'll probably be put back together for the sake of it, even though the writers have ruined any chance of them being a good couple IMO. I've liked most of this series stories. It's been better than a lot of the ones in the last 2-3 years. But they are getting even more obvious about the solutions than they used to. And they were never very subtle. Even so I'm enjoying S7. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 29, 2014 5:23:11 GMT
I also want to believe that the writers are dealing out multiple red herrings (Gillies, Leslie, the marriage-preventing plot on Bones) so they will truly surprise us when they pull the rug out from all the obvious assumptions.
The Murdoch Sting actually bolstered my hope for this. I did think there would be a twist with the con artist woman, but I thought the twist would be some secret partnership with Eva Pearce. I was pleasantly surprised when my "obvious twist" turned out to be wrong. And I was even more pleasantly surprised when there was still a twist - just not the one I expected. The process of forming the (wrong) expectations kept me intellectually engaged, while I still got a surprise for dessert.
I'm a big fan of W/J, but I do get irritated when the writers use a sledge hammer to hit viewers over the head with it. (Like when George says something like "why don't those crazy kids get together"). I never get tired of the actual romantic gestures. I didn't even think the kissing in Ragtime was overboard because it was obvious that disaster was at hand, and that kissing-fest would have to last shippers for a while.
I loved everything about the failed proposal - the scotch courage, William's awkward attempt to continue the memorized speech, Julia's distressed attempt to stop him. It only seemed strange William was willing to settle for a doorstep given the elaborate romance of his past proposal/wedding fantasies. I'm hoping for buckets of angst and suffering for the remainder of the season. William is at his most lovable when he's near tears.
I don't have any theories on who is behind it all - I just hope it's not as obvious as "Gillies" or "Leslie". And I hope to see Julia kicking some ass to solve the problem: one of the reasons William loves her is she doesn't need rescuing. And I hope William shows faith in Julia as well as determination to find the truth as he unravels the mystery of the Failed Proposal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 6:04:46 GMT
I loved seeing Wendy Crewson. She is on Saving Hope, another Canadian show about a hospital and she is great on that too.
I share everyone's pain. I could hardly watch the end of this episode. As to what is really going on, I like the various theories, but I don't think William and Julia are conning anyone. I saw a preview for the next episode where Brax asks William how the proposal went, and he replies, "She said no." However, I would find it odd if William does not find Julia's reaction too puzzling not to pursue possible reasons for it with his tenacity for figuring out people's behaviour. I liked that Julia herself began to investigate things. I know too little about Leslie Garland to know if he could be as devious as James Gillies, but he sure is part of this in some way.
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Post by shangas on Jan 29, 2014 11:10:37 GMT
Watched the episode.
Not bad. But in my mind, very predictable. I don't know about the rest of you, but I saw the end of this (or something similar) coming a mile away.
And the whole Gillies - Ogden thing is getting very laborious.
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Post by carco on Jan 29, 2014 15:39:38 GMT
I felt the same about about pushing the W/J story.....for me it's becoming an old story and I am falling out of interest with it. Poor George! I think George is my favourite.I was surprised that he dumped Emily...hands up if you think Emily took the opportunity to kiss Leslie b/c she really wanted too? I guess we need to wait until March to see what transpires!! General question: How are you all feeling about this seasons stories? I think Emily kissed Lesley to stop him from talking. He'd already said Dr.....so he was about to blow her cover. But I don't think she disliked the kiss. |
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Post by murdochic on Jan 29, 2014 18:46:44 GMT
I felt the same about about pushing the W/J story.....for me it's becoming an old story and I am falling out of interest with it. Poor George! I think George is my favourite.I was surprised that he dumped Emily...hands up if you think Emily took the opportunity to kiss Leslie b/c she really wanted too? I guess we need to wait until March to see what transpires!! General question: How are you all feeling about this seasons stories? I think Emily kissed Lesley to stop him from talking. He'd already said Dr.....so he was about to blow her cover. But I don't think she disliked the kiss. That's why she started the kiss, it's clearly not the reason she kissed more than once. You could see by her face she liked it so used the situation as an excuse to kiss him. Which is why George got so upset. It wasn't an innocent thing. |
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