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Post by carco on Jan 29, 2014 21:46:34 GMT
Actually, I don't think the writers want us to think Lesley is behind it. They want us to believe it's Gillies which is why they're using his real voice to do the read out of the letters. Lesley is just being sold as Emily's love interest right now. But as MM are kind of obvious with who the culprits are then it likely is Lesley. Gillies probably is alive but I don't think he's behind this. He uses recordings of his voice, video or he'd even use phone calls. Letters and nothing else make it more likely that it's not him. In Lesley's case they have to leave clues as if and when he's revealed as the blackmailer they won't want it feeling random for the viewers. Yeah I agree. People keep saying it's too obvious that Leslie is behind it but I keep saying, how is Gillies less obvious? Now if Leslie was being framed by Gillies then there could be a twist, a stupid one, but a twist nonetheless. In any case it's probably not gonna be a surprise when the blackmailer is finally revealed, unless it's some totally random person...but again that would be utterly stupid. Speaking of clues, I think that whole kissing scene in the station house was staged. Why else would Leslie be there? He used the makeout session as a way to distract everyone so that someone else (a constable?) could take that super close photo of Murdoch. I mean, Murdoch was even more or less standing in the blackmail photo position at the time of the distraction. I still can't figure out if its truly Gillies or if it's Leslie behind these letters and photos. But I keep thinking that if someone goes into Darcy's house now, they will find a room with a wall or 2 covered in photos of Julia and William, maybe Emily too (as seen in many crime show episodes). And that photo of Wm in the station is truly unsettling. Apparently no one was concerned about the person with a camera being so close to Wm in the station. They had smallish cameras by then but you'd know if someone that close to you was taking a picture, especially indoors. They've made Leslie out to be a mystery but to what end, I'm not sure. To be the fly in the ointment for George and Emily's relationship? or to wreak Gillies type havoc on William and Julia's relationship? or both? I think we hear Gillies voice when J reads the letters because she thinks they're from Gillies so that's what she's hearing as she reads them. And yes, if Julia still keeps a journal its not a stretch to believe this same person has read it (heck, I'd sure like to read it!!). I don't see the photos as blackmail. There's nothing wrong with Julia and William kissing outside after the opera. They are legally free to do that. If the photos were published in the newspaper likely the worst thing to happen is they'd accused of, in some circles of Toronto society, lacking "propriety". I believe their purpose is to tell Julia "I'm here and I'm watching your every move and your Detective,too." Whoever is doing this is trying to mess with her head in addition to her relationship with Wm. Given her profession, that would be a fun game for Gillies or for Leslie, if he has somehow become Gillies protege. In this show there are often faint clues in some episodes relative to what lies ahead but we don't really notice them because we don't yet know what is to come. So you're right, there could have been clues in the station house scene when Emily was kissing Leslie. Come to think of it, I did see a blonde lady with long hair and a shawl, talking to a constable way in the background..... |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jan 29, 2014 22:43:24 GMT
I keep believing that GILLIES is still alive. I think Julia was followed when she was investigating in the street near the opera. Indeed when she stopped walking just in front of the poster/the bill against the wall, I first focused my attention on it and I think it was a desired effect by the producers, everybody surely did the same. But then I noticed in the background, on the pavement/sidewalk, a man who was slowly walking head down with a cane, wearing a hat which hide his face but not his long blond hair.
And according to his build, I think it could be GILLIES.
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Post by murdochic on Jan 30, 2014 1:33:26 GMT
Yeah I agree. People keep saying it's too obvious that Leslie is behind it but I keep saying, how is Gillies less obvious? Now if Leslie was being framed by Gillies then there could be a twist, a stupid one, but a twist nonetheless. In any case it's probably not gonna be a surprise when the blackmailer is finally revealed, unless it's some totally random person...but again that would be utterly stupid. Speaking of clues, I think that whole kissing scene in the station house was staged. Why else would Leslie be there? He used the makeout session as a way to distract everyone so that someone else (a constable?) could take that super close photo of Murdoch. I mean, Murdoch was even more or less standing in the blackmail photo position at the time of the distraction. I still can't figure out if its truly Gillies or if it's Leslie behind these letters and photos. But I keep thinking that if someone goes into Darcy's house now, they will find a room with a wall or 2 covered in photos of Julia and William, maybe Emily too (as seen in many crime show episodes). And that photo of Wm in the station is truly unsettling. Apparently no one was concerned about the person with a camera being so close to Wm in the station. They had smallish cameras by then but you'd know if someone that close to you was taking a picture, especially indoors. They've made Leslie out to be a mystery but to what end, I'm not sure. To be the fly in the ointment for George and Emily's relationship? or to wreak Gillies type havoc on William and Julia's relationship? or both? I think we hear Gillies voice when J reads the letters because she thinks they're from Gillies so that's what she's hearing as she reads them. And yes, if Julia still keeps a journal its not a stretch to believe this same person has read it (heck, I'd sure like to read it!!). I don't see the photos as blackmail. There's nothing wrong with Julia and William kissing outside after the opera. They are legally free to do that. If the photos were published in the newspaper likely the worst thing to happen is they'd accused of, in some circles of Toronto society, lacking "propriety". I believe their purpose is to tell Julia "I'm here and I'm watching your every move and your Detective,too." Whoever is doing this is trying to mess with her head in addition to her relationship with Wm. Given her profession, that would be a fun game for Gillies or for Leslie, if he has somehow become Gillies protege. In this show there are often faint clues in some episodes relative to what lies ahead but we don't really notice them because we don't yet know what is to come. So you're right, there could have been clues in the station house scene when Emily was kissing Leslie. Come to think of it, I did see a blonde lady with long hair and a shawl, talking to a constable way in the background..... It's all far too subtle to be Gillies style. IMO the only way he really is involved is he's getting Garland to do all his dirty work and he'll do something more dramatic later. It's too low key for Gillies, he'd try to kill them. He wouldn't just try and break them up. But Garland has a reason to want that, he very likely blames W/J for his brothers death. The show are pushing too much that it's Gillies yet we still haven't see him or heard his real voice. Which we did in the past. That's why it all feels like a red herring. I would be really surprised if it's him. Or him without Garland's involvement. They said Garland would bring trouble for W/J. He has yet to openly do that so far. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 30, 2014 3:36:07 GMT
Is there any proof Garland is who he says he is? He sort of just showed up at the house. Perhaps he's Gillies kid brother (or significant other?) who has been laying the groundwork for revenge all along...
Or perhaps he is even more evil than Gillies and able to manipulate Gillies...?
I hope Garland is another red herring, though. Perhaps the real mastermind is...EMILY GRACE! *bwahahahaha*
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 30, 2014 4:40:31 GMT
Is there any proof Garland is who he says he is? He sort of just showed up at the house. Perhaps he's Gillies kid brother (or significant other?) who has been laying the groundwork for revenge all along... Or perhaps he is even more evil than Gillies and able to manipulate Gillies...? I hope Garland is another red herring, though. Perhaps the real mastermind is...EMILY GRACE! *bwahahahaha* Well there was a really stupid theory that Leslie is actually Gillies in disguise....  But uh, as to your question...I'm pretty sure Julia met him at her wedding or was at least acquainted with The Garland's while still in Buffalo. I've tried to come up with someone other than Leslie but I can't think of anyone else who has motive (besides Gillies but I refuse to believe it's him). At this point, I'm sure he's working with someone to fulfill his goals, someone who stalks Julia everywhere...takes blackmail pics of Murdoch, etc. but I don't know who. If the culprit ends up just being some random person it won't be very satisfying. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 30, 2014 5:35:09 GMT
If I remember correctly, Julia didn't recognize Leslie when he showed up at the house. He could have claimed to be in school at the time of the wedding: or he could claim he was at the wedding - but Julia didn't see him (it was a big wedding).
I agree it wouldn't be satisfying if the mastermind turns out to be some random person. But I do hope there's some surprise in who it turns out to be. Maybe it's someone who wants to frame Gillies - like the family of the guy Gillies set up in BMOC...?
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Jan 30, 2014 13:37:35 GMT
That makes very little sense, though- they wouldn't need to frame him, even were they certain he's alive. He's been convicted of murdering six people, and sentenced to the noose. Adding one more blackmail job onto his criminal resume wouldn't exactly do much; it wouldn't accomplish anything, and it would be self-defeating. The one thing it would do is tarnish his name further, but Gillies has made it fairly clear that he doesn't care one bit about that... he was prepared to kill another woman in A Midnight Train to Kingston. Blackmail has nothing on murder. It's far more likely that someone is using Gillies' names and deeds to make the letters appear more menacing and believable, as to inspire fear.
A part of Julia's investigation caught my eye.... it was a section of one of "Gillies'" letters. He spoke of his first killing, and the ones after that.... and, in such a context, it seemed pointless. Almost as if the letter-writer was attempting to cement the belief that Gillies was penning these notes by adding stories and thoughts about his past. It can't have been too hard to find out a bit about Gillies' past convictions, and if you wrap a lie in the truth, it only seems more real.
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Post by barbarama on Jan 30, 2014 16:35:40 GMT
I also want to believe that the writers are dealing out multiple red herrings (Gillies, Leslie, the marriage-preventing plot on Bones) so they will truly surprise us when they pull the rug out from all the obvious assumptions. The Murdoch Sting actually bolstered my hope for this. I did think there would be a twist with the con artist woman, but I thought the twist would be some secret partnership with Eva Pearce. I was pleasantly surprised when my "obvious twist" turned out to be wrong. And I was even more pleasantly surprised when there was still a twist - just not the one I expected. The process of forming the (wrong) expectations kept me intellectually engaged, while I still got a surprise for dessert. I'm a big fan of W/J, but I do get irritated when the writers use a sledge hammer to hit viewers over the head with it. (Like when George says something like "why don't those crazy kids get together"). I never get tired of the actual romantic gestures. I didn't even think the kissing in Ragtime was overboard because it was obvious that disaster was at hand, and that kissing-fest would have to last shippers for a while. I loved everything about the failed proposal - the scotch courage, William's awkward attempt to continue the memorized speech, Julia's distressed attempt to stop him. It only seemed strange William was willing to settle for a doorstep given the elaborate romance of his past proposal/wedding fantasies. I'm hoping for buckets of angst and suffering for the remainder of the season. William is at his most lovable when he's near tears. I don't have any theories on who is behind it all - I just hope it's not as obvious as "Gillies" or "Leslie". And I hope to see Julia kicking some ass to solve the problem: one of the reasons William loves her is she doesn't need rescuing. And I hope William shows faith in Julia as well as determination to find the truth as he unravels the mystery of the Failed Proposal. I've really enjoyed your comment and agree with most of it except for the "buckets of angst" part I'm done with it and it is becoming tiresome. In any case I'm still hopeful for the remaining 5 episodes  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 30, 2014 16:58:33 GMT
If I remember correctly, Julia didn't recognize Leslie when he showed up at the house. He could have claimed to be in school at the time of the wedding: or he could claim he was at the wedding - but Julia didn't see him (it was a big wedding). I agree it wouldn't be satisfying if the mastermind turns out to be some random person. But I do hope there's some surprise in who it turns out to be. Maybe it's someone who wants to frame Gillies - like the family of the guy Gillies set up in BMOC...? Uh, no...I just checked, the first thing she said upon seeing him in her house was, "Leslie Garland." Then they go on to talk about why he is there and he says, "I can't say really, just wanted to get to know a new town I suppose." But yes, I would much appreciate some sort of twist. |
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Post by murdochic on Jan 30, 2014 19:59:22 GMT
If I remember correctly, Julia didn't recognize Leslie when he showed up at the house. He could have claimed to be in school at the time of the wedding: or he could claim he was at the wedding - but Julia didn't see him (it was a big wedding). I agree it wouldn't be satisfying if the mastermind turns out to be some random person. But I do hope there's some surprise in who it turns out to be. Maybe it's someone who wants to frame Gillies - like the family of the guy Gillies set up in BMOC...? Uh, no...I just checked, the first thing she said upon seeing him in her house was, "Leslie Garland." Then they go on to talk about why he is there and he says, "I can't say really, just wanted to get to know a new town I suppose." But yes, I would much appreciate some sort of twist. It being Garland is a twist. Julia believes it's Gillies, and the show are actually using his voice in voice-overs. So it turning out to have nothing to do with Gillies and it all being a revenge plan by Garland would be the twist. Just because the viewers may have worked it out it doesn't mean it's not a twist. MM are usually very easy to work out early on in the stories, I often do it. It wouldn't be shocking if that's the case this time. There's no-one else it can be except Gillies or Garland. And it's seeming unlikely to be Gillies as it's not his style. There's no other options, not unless another character randomly pops up in however many episodes it takes to sort this out. Leslie isn't just on the show for Emily/George, Yannick or Helen said something in an interview about him being trouble for them. It all adds up. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 30, 2014 20:28:54 GMT
Lol, I just meant more of a twist than it just being Leslie. He's definitely involved, but I just want there to be a little more to it. But I won't be surprised if there isn't, cuz like you say, the cases aren't usually hard to figure out and this was just sort of an extra mystery element that they don't normally do so in that case it's potentially even more obvious than the cases.
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Post by snacky on Jan 31, 2014 1:46:30 GMT
Then they go on to talk about why he is there and he says, "I can't say really, just wanted to get to know a new town I suppose." But yes, I would much appreciate some sort of twist. I stand corrected. I should have checked the episode first, but I've been preoccupied trying to find that episode where George doctors a photograph and claims to be better at it than William. I hope I'm not rewriting half the series in my imagination. It looks like I'm the only one with a very high tolerance for "buckets of angst". On the other hand, I have a low tolerance for cliche and artificial dialogue. I hope all angst is generated from a natural cause and is met with an authentic response. This also applies to shipping. I thought William looked almost tired of the "endless courtship" at the end of Ragtime. I'd rather see a considerate gesture than an unenthusiastic kiss. Even without Gillies, there needed to be something that would shake things up, so later the renewed relationship would be injected with passion and vigor. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 31, 2014 2:29:47 GMT
That would be Buffalo Shuffle.
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Post by kaybee2 on Jan 31, 2014 2:31:35 GMT
The episode where George doctors the photo is Buffalo Shuffle
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Post by snacky on Jan 31, 2014 2:36:27 GMT
Waaaa, I just rewatched that, but I was skipping around to the shippy parts. Thanks for reminding me, that was driving me crazy.
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