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Post by snacky on Feb 4, 2014 3:08:40 GMT
About the behaviour of Emily towards George, I have no explanations. In the previous episode she was cold and distant as if she wanted to avoid him and in the last episode, she was sad to be rejected by him... just a little while before agreeing to have dinner with Lesley. Do you have an idea? Either it's down to bad writing and the writers can't decide if she wants George or not depending on the episode. Or her ego is bruised and she doesn't like being the one dumped. I wouldn't put it past Emily tbh. She does have an ego. I don't dislike the girl but they are writing her so she comes off as very fickle. In the next episode we should get a clearer idea of what her feelings are as Julia and her look like they're big in the plot. They need to start writing her with consistency for us to understand her properly. I really love how Emily Grace is written. It's certainly different, and it's one thing that prevents Murdoch Mysteries from being a cookie-cutter show. Emily is a bit eerie - like Wednesday from the Addam's Family. She also considers herself part of intellectual, as well as social, elite. I thought Staircase to Heaven pretty much defined her character vis-a-vis an era lurching between Unimaginable Science and Dubious Theosophy. Emily's trajectory of interests are so far beyond her peers that her interactions can be quite stilted: there's hint of Asperger's Syndrome there, too, I think. I think Emily finds George entertaining, and she's flattered by his attentions. However, he's from a different social class and doesn't really speak her language. Leslie is more in her league - quite handsome and charming. However, I think she has been trying hard to break her class chains, and she's quite loyal to George. She will only entertain Leslie to make George jealous or express her disapproval of his actions. After all, he did just tell her off for enjoying her kiss with Leslie too much when George DID THE EXACT SAME THING in "The Filmed Adventures of Detective William Murdoch"!!! Brackenreid was right: George has to fight to maintain a relationship with Emily instead of caving before any obstacle. Having said this, I'm not really sure George and Emily have chemistry. I sort of liked George with the penny-dreadful-reading telephone operator. However, I don't want to see Emily with Leslie, either: it's obvious he's a cad. |
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Post by Yukimi on Feb 5, 2014 16:38:25 GMT
if they wanted to shock us completely it would be Henry taking William's photograph but it seems pretty unlikely he'd work for the bad guy and there hasn't been many hints at him being that dissatisfied with his job.
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Post by wwhitby on Feb 8, 2014 1:55:52 GMT
Just my theory:
IMHO, I believe its Leslie Garland that is behind the "James Gillies" plot. First, Leslie gave the tickets to Julia for Rigoletto and suggested that William go in his place. That would let him know where they would be and how they would enter and exit the theater, which would be great for him taking the picture of them together.
Next, he appeared at Station 4 during the con when he was kissed by Dr. Grace. The picture that Julia finds is of William taken at Station 4. It would have been hard for Gillies (if he was alive) to show up at Station 4 but Leslie Garland could have shown up without making anybody suspicious...
He would have also known of everything that Gillies did to Julia and her "fear" of him, so why not play on that fear?
Why would he want to do something like this? Maybe he blames both William and Julia for hurting Darcy or causing him pain, or something like that - the writers would have to give us the motivation.
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Post by snacky on Feb 8, 2014 4:28:52 GMT
Just my theory: IMHO, I believe its Leslie Garland that is behind the "James Gillies" plot. First, Leslie gave the tickets to Julia for Rigoletto and suggested that William go in his place. That would let him know where they would be and how they would enter and exit the theater, which would be great for him taking the picture of them together. Next, he appeared at Station 4 during the con when he was kissed by Dr. Grace. The picture that Julia finds is of William taken at Station 4. It would have been hard for Gillies (if he was alive) to show up at Station 4 but Leslie Garland could have shown up without making anybody suspicious... He would have also known of everything that Gillies did to Julia and her "fear" of him, so why not play on that fear? Why would he want to do something like this? Maybe he blames both William and Julia for hurting Darcy or causing him pain, or something like that - the writers would have to give us the motivation. Perhaps he's gay and was getting it on with Gillies. While Gillies was trying to set up the Murdoch Trap, or even circa Toyland, he might have researched Julia's marriage and laid the foundations for later shenanigans. Leslie may have plotted with Gillies to get Darcy out of the way of some inheritance. Leslie strikes me as the type who wants to be an International Playboy living off a trust fund. On the other hand Leslie looks so obviously guilty that he's also a good candidate for a red herring. |
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Post by carco on Feb 9, 2014 21:06:06 GMT
Just my theory: IMHO, I believe its Leslie Garland that is behind the "James Gillies" plot. First, Leslie gave the tickets to Julia for Rigoletto and suggested that William go in his place. That would let him know where they would be and how they would enter and exit the theater, which would be great for him taking the picture of them together. Next, he appeared at Station 4 during the con when he was kissed by Dr. Grace. The picture that Julia finds is of William taken at Station 4. It would have been hard for Gillies (if he was alive) to show up at Station 4 but Leslie Garland could have shown up without making anybody suspicious... He would have also known of everything that Gillies did to Julia and her "fear" of him, so why not play on that fear? Why would he want to do something like this? Maybe he blames both William and Julia for hurting Darcy or causing him pain, or something like that - the writers would have to give us the motivation. I do think Leslie Garland is up to something but what bothers me is how glaringly obvious it is that he was the one who took the photos of J & W after the opera because he manipulated them into being in that place at that time. I'm not so sure he is working alone at whatever it is he is doing. And I don't think it's all as cut and dried and we may think. That pic of William in Station 4 could have been taken at any time ie: not necessarily within a day or so of when Julia found it, unlike the first photo which was taken just a day or so before. Cameras were not point and click in those days and were not tiny. I think William would have been aware there was someone in the area taking a picture but he wasn't looking directly at the person taking the picture so he either wasn't aware of it or was not concerned about the person taking the picture. Obviously, the photographer was letting Julia know that he/she has easy access to William and can kill him if and when necessary. Gillies is/was a master of disguise. If he is still alive, the last thing he is going to do is walk around Toronto looking like Gillies so he would be disguised. But I'm not suggesting for a minute that I think Gillies is Leslie Garland. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 9, 2014 22:46:02 GMT
Just my theory: Next, he appeared at Station 4 during the con when he was kissed by Dr. Grace. The picture that Julia finds is of William taken at Station 4. It would have been hard for Gillies (if he was alive) to show up at Station 4 but Leslie Garland could have shown up without making anybody suspicious... I do think Leslie Garland is up to something but what bothers me is how glaringly obvious it is that he was the one who took the photos of J & W after the opera because he manipulated them into being in that place at that time. I'm not so sure he is working alone at whatever it is he is doing. And I don't think it's all as cut and dried and we may think. That pic of William in Station 4 could have been taken at any time ie: not necessarily within a day or so of when Julia found it, unlike the first photo which was taken just a day or so before. A pic of Station 4 could have been obtained from newspaper files - perhaps from "kissing bandit" Patty Glenn? Even though the Leslie hints may be heavy-handed, there have to be some clues within the show so there will be footage for William's memory/profiling montage later. If Leslie is not a red herring, I think property/inheritance issues would be a stronger motive than revenge for Darcy. He seems to be flirting with older, established women with their own financial resources. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Mar 24, 2014 2:01:06 GMT
According to me, the picture of William in the station seems to have been taken during the con when Dr GRACE kissed Lesley GARLAND; a diversion was created and it could explain why no one had seen anything unusual.
Moreover GILLIES is smart and therefore he is perfectly capable of hinding a camera or finding a way/tinkering a device to take a picture without beeing noticed.
By the way, the photographer wanted to let Julia know that she had to take his threat seriously and to prove that it was easy to be close enough to kill William. That's why the picture could not have been taken at any time. He wanted to remind her that William and she were still watched.
To finish, I tried to find a further evidence/clue on the picture.
It's as if the shooting was taken from the place occupied by Leslie GARLAND when he was kissed by Dr GRACE. And at this moment, he had a bag under his arm which makes me think that a camera could be concealed. I also noticed a shadow to the right of the picture and I thought that it could be the sleeve of the dress of Dr GRACE in front of the lens.
Although I continue to think that Leslie GARLAND is just a scapegoat and we must not forget that William already checked his past when he was "NOT" jealous.
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Mar 30, 2014 13:47:34 GMT
Dispite all my ships crashing, I did quite enjoy this episode. And I'm sorry Dr. Grace, but you asked for that.
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Post by snacky on Mar 30, 2014 18:27:27 GMT
Dispite all my ships crashing, I did quite enjoy this episode. And I'm sorry Dr. Grace, but you asked for that. Murdoch Mysteries will "right the ships" fairly quickly.  |
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Post by Lucy on Apr 26, 2014 20:33:59 GMT
Interesting episode... Poor George, I'm not surprised after Emily was so cold towards him last week. This whole Gilles thing is interesting too, am I confused or has he supposed to have been hanged already? I thought I recognised the lady who played Cassie Chadwick she was in Revenge quite a while ago |
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Post by snacky on Apr 26, 2014 22:52:46 GMT
Interesting episode... Poor George, I'm not surprised after Emily was so cold towards him last week. This whole Gilles thing is interesting too, am I confused or has he supposed to have been hanged already? I thought I recognised the lady who played Cassie Chadwick she was in Revenge quite a while ago Gillies escaped on Night Train to Kingston. Remember William jumping in the water to try to go after him? Julia and William just decided to move on with their lives because they thought it was impossible for him to survive in that river handcuffed. |
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Post by Lucy on Apr 27, 2014 8:49:27 GMT
Interesting episode... Poor George, I'm not surprised after Emily was so cold towards him last week. This whole Gilles thing is interesting too, am I confused or has he supposed to have been hanged already? I thought I recognised the lady who played Cassie Chadwick she was in Revenge quite a while ago Gillies escaped on Night Train to Kingston. Remember William jumping in the water to try to go after him? Julia and William just decided to move on with their lives because they thought it was impossible for him to survive in that river handcuffed. Oh yes I remember now Thanks, I did think that wouldn't be the last we heard of him |
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Post by bookworm1225 on Jan 6, 2015 15:54:35 GMT
I absolutely love George's "How tall are you?" phone conversation he has before he informs Eva and Cassie Chadwick that the case is being closed. I gotta think that was ad-libbed. *grin*
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Post by snacky on Apr 5, 2015 2:13:05 GMT
Eclair once again comes through with the brilliant observation: When William is first questioning Eva in the interrogation room, Eva distracts him by lifting her skirts and ostentatiously crossing her ankles. William tries not to notice, but his "scurry" remark shows that he's imagining something very interesting...  Anyway, Eclair noted: "Basic Instinct!" Of course - how did I miss that on the first 5 viewings!  |
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Post by Hodge on Apr 5, 2015 2:54:59 GMT
Eclair once again comes through with the brilliant observation: When William is first questioning Eva in the interrogation room, Eva distracts him by lifting her skirts and ostentatiously crossing her ankles. William tries not to notice, but his "scurry" remark shows that he's imagining something very interesting... Anyway, Eclair noted: "Basic Instinct!" Of course - how did I miss that on the first 5 viewings! I just watched this scene again and I really didn't notice anything. Seems to me that William has her number now. I could be completely missing it but if I am it's so subtle it completely goes over my head. I didn't think I was that unobservant especially when I'm specifically watching for something. |
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