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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 15, 2014 23:59:50 GMT
"Belly Speaker" is an episode I rarely re-watch. The puppet freaks me out and he is very annoying. For me the story borders on psychotic horror which is way outside my wheelhouse. It is so interesting that you fan2tvshows were able to see the broad picture of the series in that one episode. I live in Canada so I watched the series sequentially. By the time "Belly Speaker" aired, I was fully entrenched in the various subplots that run consecutively so they faded into the background because I was so put off. Again, I have to hand it to the writers if that episode can grab an new viewer and make them want to see more. Hi lovemodays! I will answer you as soon as possible but not now. It's very late. Just one thing, I'm not sure to have well understood the meaning of the expression "which is way outside my wheelhouse". Can you please use another words/make another sentence? |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 16, 2014 0:22:42 GMT
So sorry. 'Outside my wheelhouse' means that it isn't something I usually enjoy. I feel that "Belly Speaker" approaches the psychotic horror genre of storytelling, a genre I dislike very much so I avoid it.
Welcome to the fanboard fan2tvshows! What part of the world are you from?
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Post by snacky on Jun 16, 2014 1:29:27 GMT
Again, I have to hand it to the writers if that episode can grab an new viewer and make them want to see more. This is also the virtue and importance of encapsulated "mystery" plots: it gives new viewers a point of entry. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 16, 2014 1:51:23 GMT
Very true. Each mystery is a stand-alone episode. My family have seen most of the episodes but out of order and they have no trouble.
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Post by snacky on Jun 16, 2014 1:53:19 GMT
Even when William said to Julia for the first time that he loves her. Indeed they just squeezed their hands and they strolled. Oh when a man that you love says to you that he loves you, you just don't shake his hand or tap his shoulder, don't you?
By the way, I didn't like the way he said that he loves her. It was boring -too much of blablabla- and I had the impression that he wanted more to justify himself toward God and try to give himself a clean conscience than to declare his love to her. I would have prefered that he just said: I don't care to be damned, I love you!
- In the seventh season, they shared more romantic moments but each time William was focused on his investigations. Another trick from the writer to save time.
And William waited again -I suppose it was because Yannick BISSON's wife was a guest star and so it could be delicate to fake to be intimate with another woman and it could explain why William ignored signals sent by Julia- before Julia asked him to ask her again.
Well, they've kissed an awful lot, and they couldn't do much more than that while Julia was still married, since that would be adultery. The pressing matter at the minute was whether William could accept Julia as a divorced woman even though his religion forbids it (unfortunately the episode didn't make clear what the consequences could be for him: excommunication would be one). A lustful kiss is not the way to top off a spiritual revelation. I think what the "stroll" is supposed to reveal is that William and Julia have the compatibility of marriage already, and now they are just working out the red tape. But I understand your wish to occasionally see something more desperate and passionate. I believe we got that when Julia was actually in danger (Murdoch in Toyland). Regarding the focus on investigation: the writers have to do that since not all the viewers are shippers. But I like the way they do it. William gets preoccupied by the case or needs to get out of the relieve the social pressures of the moment somehow: "Julia, would it be all right if we discuss the case...?" lol! I think that's good writer strategy. Also lol about Yannick's wife. My thought about her is precisely the opposite. Whereas single actors who might be perceived as "available" might subconsciously set up boundaries between themselves and other actors of romantic potential - thus unintentionally coming across as "cold" and "no chemistry", Yannick is already "taken". Since Yannick is married, he doesn't have to worry about boundaries: he is free to turn up the "chemistry" vibe as far as he can. His wife isn't worried about this: he's obviously a loyal husband and great father: he's built a successful career on playing romantic careers. If he lands an epic kiss, she's going to be cheering him on. She probably gave him tips on it. The "strolls" are William and Julia playing out the Victorian propriety that was expected of their generation, but the writers have certainly tried to hint that once they are out of public view all "propriety" bets are off. Ps. Regarding Twentieth Century Murdoch: I think the public kiss was out of place there, but it was done because there was a risk of that being the last episode of MM, and the writers wanted to imply William and Julia would live happily ever after. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 16, 2014 2:15:20 GMT
Another A+ summary snacky  . You are quite right to add the external forces like possible cancellation as an integral part of the picture. P.S. I am 100% with your opinion on "Twentieth Century Murdoch". I wanted that kiss to happen so badly but in a crowd, with fireworks...ugh! I would have liked it better if they'd stayed behind to neck in the empty ballroom. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 16, 2014 2:58:41 GMT
Another A+ summary snacky . You are quite right to add the external forces like possible cancellation as an integral part of the picture. P.S. I am 100% with your opinion on "Twentieth Century Murdoch". I wanted that kiss to happen so badly but in a crowd, with fireworks...ugh! I would have liked it better if they'd stayed behind to neck in the empty ballroom. Also I'm glad there was an opportunity to really dress up everyone! I think part of the fun of MM is in the style, and the Policeman's Ball allowed everyone to really max out on style and swan around. There needs to be more such occasions. We need to see if William's waltz has improved!  |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 16, 2014 19:13:36 GMT
So sorry. 'Outside my wheelhouse' means that it isn't something I usually enjoy. I feel that "Belly Speaker" approaches the psychotic horror genre of storytelling, a genre I dislike very much so I avoid it. Welcome to the fanboard fan2tvshows! What part of the world are you from? Thank you for your explanation! I'm always happy to learn new english expressions. I live in France. And thank you for your welcome! |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 16, 2014 20:27:30 GMT
Even when William said to Julia for the first time that he loves her. Indeed they just squeezed their hands and they strolled. Oh when a man that you love says to you that he loves you, you just don't shake his hand or tap his shoulder, don't you?
By the way, I didn't like the way he said that he loves her. It was boring -too much of blablabla- and I had the impression that he wanted more to justify himself toward God and try to give himself a clean conscience than to declare his love to her. I would have prefered that he just said: I don't care to be damned, I love you!
- In the seventh season, they shared more romantic moments but each time William was focused on his investigations. Another trick from the writer to save time.
And William waited again -I suppose it was because Yannick BISSON's wife was a guest star and so it could be delicate to fake to be intimate with another woman and it could explain why William ignored signals sent by Julia- before Julia asked him to ask her again.
Well, they've kissed an awful lot, and they couldn't do much more than that while Julia was still married, since that would be adultery. The pressing matter at the minute was whether William could accept Julia as a divorced woman even though his religion forbids it (unfortunately the episode didn't make clear what the consequences could be for him: excommunication would be one). A lustful kiss is not the way to top off a spiritual revelation. I think what the "stroll" is supposed to reveal is that William and Julia have the compatibility of marriage already, and now they are just working out the red tape. But I understand your wish to occasionally see something more desperate and passionate. I believe we got that when Julia was actually in danger (Murdoch in Toyland). Regarding the focus on investigation: the writers have to do that since not all the viewers are shippers. But I like the way they do it. William gets preoccupied by the case or needs to get out of the relieve the social pressures of the moment somehow: "Julia, would it be all right if we discuss the case...?" lol! I think that's good writer strategy. Also lol about Yannick's wife. My thought about her is precisely the opposite. Whereas single actors who might be perceived as "available" might subconsciously set up boundaries between themselves and other actors of romantic potential - thus unintentionally coming across as "cold" and "no chemistry", Yannick is already "taken". Since Yannick is married, he doesn't have to worry about boundaries: he is free to turn up the "chemistry" vibe as far as he can. His wife isn't worried about this: he's obviously a loyal husband and great father: he's built a successful career on playing romantic careers. If he lands an epic kiss, she's going to be cheering him on. She probably gave him tips on it. The "strolls" are William and Julia playing out the Victorian propriety that was expected of their generation, but the writers have certainly tried to hint that once they are out of public view all "propriety" bets are off. Ps. Regarding Twentieth Century Murdoch: I think the public kiss was out of place there, but it was done because there was a risk of that being the last episode of MM, and the writers wanted to imply William and Julia would live happily ever after. fan2tvshows, I'm interested to know if snacky's excellent synopsis has affected your opinion of the Jilliam ship? |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 16, 2014 22:20:42 GMT
"Belly Speaker" is an episode I rarely re-watch. The puppet freaks me out and he is very annoying. For me the story borders on psychotic horror which is way outside my wheelhouse. It is so interesting that you fan2tvshows were able to see the broad picture of the series in that one episode. I live in Canada so I watched the series sequentially. By the time "Belly Speaker" aired, I was fully entrenched in the various subplots that run consecutively so they faded into the background because I was so put off. Again, I have to hand it to the writers if that episode can grab an new viewer and make them want to see more. For me, watching "Belly speaker" was like watching a pilot episode; except that I'm not an investor who would be ready to buy a whole serie. I mean it was built in the same way. I could see beyond the story: 1) that the scenes were filmed in a truly original setting (Toronto in Canada, the police station n° 4 and the morgue). It was very different than the american TV shows. 2) that the action took place in another century; the characters dressing a period costume with typical hairdos. I love it! 3) the calm atmosphere in which MURDOCH thought twice to solve the mystery. It was perfect to follow his reasonings. The stage was set. 4) a good presentation of the main characters. I learned a lot about them but I will just mention a few examples. - Murdoch reads very complicated books about genetics and he does during his holyday; it shows us with a touch of humour that he's very different from the others. - The fact that Arthur Conan DOYLE, the famous author of Sherlock HOLMES, wanted to write about the detective shows how he's very special. He said he wanted to know/find out how MURDOCH's mind worked. - The pathologist was a women. So I could deduce that the character of Dr OGDEN had a strong personality. - Constable CRABTREE was affraid by the puppet. It showed his tendancy to believe in paranormal activity. - Inspector BRACKENREID has always a story to tell. 5) the good cutting of the scenes and the way that they succeeded. The aim of a pilot episode is to get your attention and "Belly Speaker" got mine. But something says to me, you already know the answer; that's why I will quote anyone else but you: The answer is: Murdoch Mysteries is an exceptionally well written show strengthened by an immensely talented cast. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 17, 2014 0:48:40 GMT
Very well said. You've actually made me rethink my overall opinion of this episode. I still think the puppet is creepy but the elements of setting and character that caught your attention and piqued your interest run very consistently throughout all episodes. I think these same qualities are what have me addicted to the show. Too bad we've lost you on the William - Julia ship though. As Ruby would say "it adds a certain frisson" to the series but it's not a requirement to make anyone a devotee. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 17, 2014 21:33:45 GMT
Well, they've kissed an awful lot, and they couldn't do much more than that while Julia was still married, since that would be adultery. The pressing matter at the minute was whether William could accept Julia as a divorced woman even though his religion forbids it (unfortunately the episode didn't make clear what the consequences could be for him: excommunication would be one). A lustful kiss is not the way to top off a spiritual revelation. I think what the "stroll" is supposed to reveal is that William and Julia have the compatibility of marriage already, and now they are just working out the red tape. But I understand your wish to occasionally see something more desperate and passionate. I believe we got that when Julia was actually in danger (Murdoch in Toyland). Regarding the focus on investigation: the writers have to do that since not all the viewers are shippers. But I like the way they do it. William gets preoccupied by the case or needs to get out of the relieve the social pressures of the moment somehow: "Julia, would it be all right if we discuss the case...?" lol! I think that's good writer strategy. Also lol about Yannick's wife. My thought about her is precisely the opposite. Whereas single actors who might be perceived as "available" might subconsciously set up boundaries between themselves and other actors of romantic potential - thus unintentionally coming across as "cold" and "no chemistry", Yannick is already "taken". Since Yannick is married, he doesn't have to worry about boundaries: he is free to turn up the "chemistry" vibe as far as he can. His wife isn't worried about this: he's obviously a loyal husband and great father: he's built a successful career on playing romantic careers. If he lands an epic kiss, she's going to be cheering him on. She probably gave him tips on it. The "strolls" are William and Julia playing out the Victorian propriety that was expected of their generation, but the writers have certainly tried to hint that once they are out of public view all "propriety" bets are off. Ps. Regarding Twentieth Century Murdoch: I think the public kiss was out of place there, but it was done because there was a risk of that being the last episode of MM, and the writers wanted to imply William and Julia would live happily ever after. fan2tvshows, I'm interested to know if snacky's excellent synopsis has affected your opinion of the Jilliam ship? I don't know if I will change my opinion about the relationship between William and Julia. I found their love story so much interesting and so much original but I noticed that the writers have chosen to develop and to exagerate the ship on just one point: its dramatic aspect. They made it too much complicated. (Especially for the viewers who are not shippers, they should be exasperated). And that's why -I think- I was disappointed. But the next time I will watch -and surely I will- I will keep in mind this synopsis - especially Yannick BISSON's wife cheering on him or giving him tips how to kiss his partner and improve his performence on stage lol. By the way, thank you Snacky! But then again I need some explanation about one expression. What does "they are just working out the red tape" mean? To finish, I never thought the fifth season could be the last. I love discussing with you both, I learn a lot thanks to your opinion. Last question: can you tell me if my grammar is correct? I want to improve my english. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 17, 2014 21:56:40 GMT
I want to let you know that I started watching MURDOCH MYSTERIES because of the good mix between plot and ship of the very first episode I saw in whole. It was "Belly speaker". It's interesting you should bring Belly Speaker up. I don't really like this episode, but I'm not sure why. I do like the type of creepy mystery - it reminded me of the X-Files. I do like that the villain got away with it! That's rare on MM! Which episode? The villain was a skillful manipulator. He managed to manipulate MURDOCH and his team as puppets!
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 18, 2014 1:31:08 GMT
"Working through the red tape" means dealing with rules and regulations. When you feel like the job would be so much easier if you could just get on with doing it your way.
Your English is very good! When you said "I found their love story so much interesting and so much original", we might have used the word 'very' or 'much more' instead of 'so much'.
Have you seen many other episodes of MM?
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Post by snacky on Jun 18, 2014 3:11:28 GMT
I noticed that the writers have chosen to develop and to exagerate the ship on just one point: its dramatic aspect. They made it too much complicated. "they are just working out the red tape" mean? Last question: can you tell me if my grammar is correct? I want to improve my english. Could you explain how you would have like the relationship between William and Julia to be simpler? Red tape means bureaucratie, or working out the details. Please do not worry about your English - it's close enough. You improve through reading. |
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. You are quite right to add the external forces like possible cancellation as an integral part of the picture. 
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