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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 19, 2014 21:48:13 GMT
I see patience is not your strong point, rofl.  You're right! But in my defence, I will quote lovemondays: "It is in the show's best interest to DRAG OUT the relationship for as long as possible, using every plot trick, no matter how stupid, to keep the star-crossed lovers apart". The writers of MURDOCH MYSTERIES, they're bloody hell very good at draging out. lol. And "lol" is the only english initials that I know. So please what does "rolf" mean? |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 19, 2014 21:50:31 GMT
ROFL = rolling on floor laughing
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Post by snacky on Jun 20, 2014 0:01:28 GMT
I do not hate conflicts or obstacles. They always brought a certain dynamic to their relationship. The problem is they never ended and I noticed they did the same for the relationship between George and Emily. Poor George! It would appear that there's no place for romance. Hmm, I think the obstacles and the whole cycle came to a pretty definitive denouement at the end of Season 7. XD I've never gotten the feeling smaller conflicts were left unresolved either - though the whole Darcy wedding is probably continues to be a smoldering grenade (despite the tiny explosion in Lovers in a Murderous Time). George and Emily has also possibly been brought to a screeching halt, with a break up. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 20, 2014 2:13:18 GMT
I do not hate conflicts or obstacles. They always brought a certain dynamic to their relationship. The problem is they never ended and I noticed they did the same for the relationship between George and Emily. Poor George! It would appear that there's no place for romance. Hmm, I think the obstacles and the whole cycle came to a pretty definitive denouement at the end of Season 7. XD I've never gotten the feeling smaller conflicts were left unresolved either - though the whole Darcy wedding is probably continues to be a smoldering grenade (despite the tiny explosion in Lovers in a Murderous Time). George and Emily has also possibly been brought to a screeching halt, with a break up. I agree that the engagement has ultimately resolved the vast majority of smaller conflicts; however, I'm still scratching my head over some of them. We know that William left the conversation about Julia's reasons for going to Buffalo and he was left standing on the platform as the train gathered speed. In "Murdoch in Wonderland" Julia said that William had "plenty of opportunities to discuss these matters before I left for Buffalo" when Ruby showed her the ring and note. No such opportunities ever came about. The first time they spoke face to face, in "Buffalo Shuffle", she was already engaged. The issues were then relegated to water under the bridge status until "Back and to the Left" when the pressure of all that unspoken baggage prompted Julia to leave her job because she "just couldn't" be with him day to day. That's a lot of unresolved conflict in my books. The only time it bubbled up was during the row they had after William slugged Darcy in the street. It still didn't solve anything. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 20, 2014 2:32:31 GMT
Julia said that William had "plenty of opportunities to discuss these matters before I left for Buffalo" when Ruby showed her the ring and note. That's a lot of unresolved conflict in my books. The only time it bubbled up was during the row they had after William slugged Darcy in the street. It still didn't solve anything. William definitely didn't have any opportunity after Julia dropped her bombshell. I think what she meant was that William had months and months before that to discuss or at least indicate that they were making some sort of progress in their relationship. But he took things for granted, which was what made her presume that he'd outright drop her if a "disincentive" to marry her came it. He seemed satisfied with the status quo and reluctant to get married in the first place. Slugging Darcy may not have settled anything but it sure was a cheap thrill! |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 20, 2014 2:38:57 GMT
Yes, yes, months and months had passed but these weren't the kind of issues that a buttoned-up man like William is going to have by letter or telegram with a highly reserved woman like Julia. Any conversation that could end up with an "I love you" or a proposal would have to be in person.
I LOVED IT when William let loose on Darcy's chin.
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Post by snacky on Jun 20, 2014 2:49:46 GMT
Yes, yes, months and months had passed but these weren't the kind of issues that a buttoned-up man like William is going to have by letter or telegram with a highly reserved woman like Julia. Any conversation that could end up with an "I love you" or a proposal would have to be in person. Months and months passed while they were dating in person in Toronto! Julia could probably feel the time dripping away. By the time Darcy proposed, she probably would have said yes to the first man on the street who asked her. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 20, 2014 20:07:51 GMT
The issues were then relegated to water under the bridge status. That's a lot of unresolved conflict in my books. The only time it bubbled up was during the row they had after William slugged Darcy in the street. It still didn't solve anything. "Relegated issues", "unresolved conflicts" and "a row not solving anything" are what for I blame the writters of MURDOCH MYSTERIES. Thank you for bringing me the words which I missed. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 20, 2014 21:43:12 GMT
I'm not a particular fan of mysteries as a genre. I'm the same way lovemondays, I'm not a "mysteries" fan at all and for that reason, I avoided Murdoch Mysteries like the plague until one evening last summer when I caught a few minutes of it before I grabbed the remote. What hooked me over the next few days was: (1) Brackenreid's calling Murdoch "old mucker" (my mum's from Yorkshire and I grew up hearing "Who do you think you are - Lady Muck?"---actually, it sounded more like "Mook")---(2) then I had to laugh out loud at some dark humour (Me, Myself and Murdoch) --when Wm was questioning the girl about the murder of her father and she told him she had the devil in her and he said something along the lines of "Do you expect me to believe ' the devil made you do it?' " that was a famous Flip Wilson punchline back in the 60's and was so incredibly out of place in that scenario but made me laugh and (3) the biggest hook of all for me...William's fantasies about Julia. Oddly out of place over bodies in the morgue but hinting of so much more. Three episodes in 3 nights and that was it....I binged all last summer and have never looked back  . I watch series which are very different the ones from the others and I think you can say if you will like or not one or other genre of series before watching a few episodes. And sometimes it takes almost nothing to be hooked. For you, hearing "Old mucker" was enough to draw your attention. By the way, it seems to be a typical expression from Yorkshire and I never found a meaning that I could understand. I don't think that it could be translated in French. Can you please try and explain it to me? And what to say about William's fantasies about Julia... I JUST LOVE IT! The staff and the actors made a good work. And now, William and Julia are engaged, they will come true. To finish, what do you think about the CRABTREE/HIGGINS duo? They often made me laugh. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 20, 2014 22:54:15 GMT
"Relegated issues", "unresolved conflicts" and "a row not solving anything" are what for I blame the writters of MURDOCH MYSTERIES. Thank you for bringing me the words which I missed. I agree that these issues do not get a lot of coverage during the show. But people who are primarily a fan of the "mysteries" would argue that too much time is spent on "relationships" already: any more attention to relationships would make MM a "soap opera", and they would march out in a huff, and take some claimed-to-be-huge segment of the audience with them. |
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Post by carco on Jun 20, 2014 23:03:50 GMT
I'm the same way lovemondays, I'm not a "mysteries" fan at all and for that reason, I avoided Murdoch Mysteries like the plague until one evening last summer when I caught a few minutes of it before I grabbed the remote. What hooked me over the next few days was: (1) Brackenreid's calling Murdoch "old mucker" (my mum's from Yorkshire and I grew up hearing "Who do you think you are - Lady Muck?"---actually, it sounded more like "Mook")---(2) then I had to laugh out loud at some dark humour (Me, Myself and Murdoch) --when Wm was questioning the girl about the murder of her father and she told him she had the devil in her and he said something along the lines of "Do you expect me to believe ' the devil made you do it?' " that was a famous Flip Wilson punchline back in the 60's and was so incredibly out of place in that scenario but made me laugh and (3) the biggest hook of all for me...William's fantasies about Julia. Oddly out of place over bodies in the morgue but hinting of so much more. Three episodes in 3 nights and that was it....I binged all last summer and have never looked back . I watch series which are very different the ones from the others and I think you can say if you will like or not one or other genre of series before watching a few episodes. And sometimes it takes almost nothing to be hooked. For you, hearing "Old mucker" was enough to draw your attention. By the way, it seems to be a typical expression from Yorkshire and I never found a meaning that I could understand. I don't think that it could be translated in French. Can you please try and explain it to me? And what to say about William's fantasies about Julia... I JUST LOVE IT! The staff and the actors made a good work. And now, William and Julia are engaged, they will come true. To finish, what do you think about the CRABTREE/HIGGINS duo? They often made me laugh. Yes, I've heard a lot of people say they were "hooked" after watching just a couple of episodes. Most often those are people who, like, me expected a darker, more serious murder mystery show and became intrigued by the quiet humour and very human characters. Well "mucker" is a bit difficult to pin down. In Yorkshire, in particular, it is a kind of endearment and means "friend"...so "me old Mucker" is like us saying "My dear friend". (When the Inspector used to call George "Bugalugs" sometimes it was a similar endearment but , I think, more from the point of someone older to someone younger.) My mum's phrase "Lady Muck" not quite the same use of the word. For example, she'd say it if I was curled up reading a book and maybe I would ask her to put the kettle on while she was up. (Back then, when you were a healthy kid with 2 good legs, asking your mother to do something for you was taken as being lazy). So she'd say "Look at her, sitting there like Lady Muck!" A mucker is someone who cleans stables, etc. and a "Lady" of course is high society in the UK so the term "... who do you think you are, Lady Muck?" is a way of saying "you're acting like someone you're not". My Dad was from London and he had a totally different set of sayings. I was born in England but raised in Canada. Once I started school in Canada, I picked up Canadian phrases and my parents didn't know what I was talking about half the time. And when my friends came over they didn't know what my parents were talking about (especially my mother, they couldn't understand anything she said given her north country accent.....yet eveyone was speaking English!! The interesting thing to me is how much the Inspector says "Bloody" which is a terrible thing to say in England! I think it was (maybe still is) something akin to the "F bomb". Yes William and Julia's fantasies were something very unique to Murdoch Mysteries, I think. Shows set in present day just have the couple fall in bed together right away....no need for fantasies for them! But now William and Julia are engaged! I have a hunch (feeling) their wedding may not come as soon as we'd like (as in opening scene of Episode 1, S8!!!) although I imagine it WILL happen this season. So those two may have to live-in-their heads a little bit longer until they can be together. Let the fantasies begin!! Oh yes! Crabtree and Higgins are a great duo!! George has Murdoch and the Inspector who are above him and give him assignments, etc. and now, as George gains experience on the job and matures, he has started to do likewise with Higgins. But Higgins is not quite as willing to be George's underling so he sometimes "pushes back" when George gives him orders. They are good buddies and a bit like competative brothers. They have different personalities for sure and each of the characters is great on their own, too. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 20, 2014 23:26:35 GMT
I watch series which are very different the ones from the others and I think you can say if you will like or not one or other genre of series before watching a few episodes. And sometimes it takes almost nothing to be hooked. For you, hearing "Old mucker" was enough to draw your attention. By the way, it seems to be a typical expression from Yorkshire and I never found a meaning that I could understand. And what to say about William's fantasies about Julia... I JUST LOVE IT! The staff and the actors made a good work. And now, William and Julia are engaged, they will come true. To finish, what do you think about the CRABTREE/HIGGINS duo? They often made me laugh. Murdoch Mysteries does have it's own unique "personality": that's part of what makes it a good "cult" TV show in my opinion. I've been considering MM's style from the perspective of Surrealism. After much pondering, I think this is an element that many cult TV shows have in common because it allows for broader latitudes of interpretation and speculation. "Mucker" is a working class guy: someone who get down and dirty, working in the mud. While calling someone "sir" signals Victorian hierarchy, saying "me old mucker" invokes egalitarian brotherhood: "we're all in this together, slogging away in the muck." I think everyone loves the Crabtree/Higgins bromance. Bring it on! And I think everyone wants the Writing Team to BRING BACK THE FANTASIES!
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Post by snacky on Jun 20, 2014 23:40:42 GMT
people who, like, me expected a darker, more serious murder mystery show and became intrigued by the quiet humour and very human characters. ...yet eveyone was speaking English!! The interesting thing to me is how much the Inspector says "Bloody" which is a terrible thing to say in England! I think it was (maybe still is) something akin to the "F bomb". So those two may have to live-in-their heads a little bit longer until they can be together. Let the fantasies begin!! Higgins is not quite as willing to be George's underling so he sometimes "pushes back" when George gives him orders. They are good buddies and a bit like competative brothers. I have been having trouble getting people in the US to try MM because they assume the style will be like PBS mysteries: the US viewership is not accustomed to the pacing and humor of those. Of course, in the US it's just danged hard to FIND MM under a DIFFERENT NAME on the incredibly obscure Ovation channel. But that's a different story. Anyway, MM is not what people assume it would be from where it falls on their "cognitive map" of the TV universe. English: OMG, when I studied in England, I couldn't understand lectures for a month!!! This baffled me since I understood British English as spoken on PBS and in Shakespeare plays. But live at Oxford it was incomprehensible. D: Regarding the fantasies: I think there is scope for the fantasies to continue even within marriage. Miscommunication and "compartmentalization" can still happen. Fights lead to anticipated resolutions. Encounters can be imagined in advanced. A few nights apart or a sense of things getting too boring might lead to some thoughts on how to spice things up. Regarding Higgins: he will never be to George what George is to William. They are too close to being brothers. Even if George is promoted over Higgins, he will never have the same sort of authority William does. Try to imagine George telling Higgins to put on a dress and shoot a pig. Or dig holes while he leans against a tree and coolly observes.  |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 22, 2014 21:22:36 GMT
"Relegated issues", "unresolved conflicts" and "a row not solving anything" are what for I blame the writters of MURDOCH MYSTERIES. Thank you for bringing me the words which I missed. I agree that these issues do not get a lot of coverage during the show. But people who are primarily a fan of the "mysteries" would argue that too much time is spent on "relationships" already: any more attention to relationships would make MM a "soap opera", and they would march out in a huff, and take some claimed-to-be-huge segment of the audience with them. I'm also a fan of the "mysteries" and that's why I wouldn't not say I want more time to develop relationships to make MM a "soap opera". The balance would be affect. But since the time for relationships is limited, they should be more revelant and more coherent in order to meet all the viewers. I find that most of the mysteries are very interesting and original. All above, I find the character of MURDOCH is very special even unique and I like the way he solves all these mysteries. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 22, 2014 21:30:02 GMT
And what to say about William's fantasies about Julia... I JUST LOVE IT! The staff and the actors made a good work. And now, William and Julia are engaged, they will come true. And I think everyone wants the Writing Team to BRING BACK THE FANTASIES!
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