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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 18, 2014 19:43:15 GMT
"Working through the red tape" means dealing with rules and regulations. When you feel like the job would be so much easier if you could just get on with doing it your way. Your English is very good! When you said "I found their love story so much interesting and so much original", we might have used the word 'very' or 'much more' instead of 'so much'. Have you seen many other episodes of MM? Thank you! I used "so much" because I wanted to say: "I found their love story so much interesting and so much original than I expected -or at least I wanted to- ships to be more positive, happier or funnier but I noticed that the writers have chosen to develop and to exagerate the ship on just one point: its dramatic aspect". I forgot a part of my sentence, OUPS! I must be distracted.  And now is it better? I saw all of them... and more than once! |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 18, 2014 22:29:50 GMT
I noticed that the writers have chosen to develop and to exagerate the ship on just one point: its dramatic aspect. They made it too much complicated. "they are just working out the red tape" mean? Last question: can you tell me if my grammar is correct? I want to improve my english. Could you explain how you would have like the relationship between William and Julia to be simpler? Red tape means bureaucratie, or working out the details. Please do not worry about your English - it's close enough. You improve through reading.  First I want you to know that I would like to be able to answer your questions faster but you must keep in mind that it's hard  , very hard  for me to express my opinons in english. Each time I try to make sentences which explain my reasoning in order that you can understand me and it takes me time and each time I'm not sure of the result.  And it's fustrating.  Soon you will simply grow tired of waiting my answers.  I think "they made it too much complicated" were not the good words. I will try to explain what I meant through one or two examples. 1) William and Julia were stuck in a complicated situation. He is a practising Catholic and she was still married to Darcy. - Darcy and she were agreed to annul the marriage. Then she changed her mind. That's alright, it's perfectly understanble. - Then they decided to divorce and William made an important decision by accepting to marry her. YEAH!!! For once in his life, he chose her. - Everything should be alright: divorce, some few hard moments to come across/through and wedding. - BUT NO! Darcy changed his mind and then William and Julia were stuck in a impasse/a stalemate/a deadlock. (Which one of these term is more appropriate?). - At the end, Darcy was killed. Oh a new hope of happiness! - No, she felt guilty and she blamed herself and William for the murderer as if they pulled themselves the trigger. AAAARRRRGH! SO I would have prefered: - Darcy refuses to divorce, Julia finds a way to convince him to change his mind. She reminds him that what he suggested to her the evening of the last New Year's Eve; to reach the man she wanted to be with. They are about to divorce, William is ready to marry her and Darcy is killed (No change on this point. I think it was a good idea to kill him. ) and no more moral problems or guilt. 2) Sorry ,no time for another example. I have to go, it's late! |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 19, 2014 2:07:20 GMT
You don't need to be so hard on yourself! You are expressing yourself very well. We are also dealing with different time zones. Relax and enjoy.
It sounds to me like your frustration is the same as every other shipper of a scripted series. It is in the show's best interest to DRAG OUT the relationship for as long as possible, using every plot trick, no matter how stupid, to keep the star-crossed lovers apart. We could start a new thread on the ridiculous plot twists the writers of MM have used. I would call it "Julia's major mistakes" because she is always the one running from William (except when he went to the Yukon, but that made sense).
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Post by snacky on Jun 19, 2014 5:17:53 GMT
"I found their love story so much interesting and so much original than I expected -or at least I wanted to- ships to be more positive, happier or funnier but I noticed that the writers have chosen to develop and to exagerate the ship on just one point: its dramatic aspect". I think I understand now. You wanted the relationship to focus on positive, happy development. Instead there were many obstacles, conflicts, and negative experiences. I must admit, I don't mind a lot of conflict. I actually prefer it, and I think it gives the show some fuel to go on. The sad moments make the happy moments sweeter. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 19, 2014 5:20:55 GMT
1) William and Julia were stuck in a complicated situation. He is a practising Catholic and she was still married to Darcy. - Darcy and she were agreed to annul the marriage. Then she changed her mind. That's alright, it's perfectly understanble. - Then they decided to divorce and William made an important decision by accepting to marry her. YEAH!!! For once in his life, he chose her. - Everything should be alright: divorce, some few hard moments to come across/through and wedding. - BUT NO! Darcy changed his mind and then William and Julia were stuck in a impasse/a stalemate/a deadlock. (Which one of these term is more appropriate?). - At the end, Darcy was killed. Oh a new hope of happiness! - No, she felt guilty and she blamed herself and William for the murderer as if they pulled themselves the trigger. AAAARRRRGH! SO I would have prefered: - Darcy refuses to divorce, Julia finds a way to convince him to change his mind. She reminds him that what he suggested to her the evening of the last New Year's Eve; to reach the man she wanted to be with. They are about to divorce, William is ready to marry her and Darcy is killed (No change on this point. I think it was a good idea to kill him. ) and no more moral problems or guilt. I understand, and you've expressed your list of obstacles and delays very well. For me these are all just part of the ongoing drama, but I see patience is not your strong point, rofl. |
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Post by carco on Jun 19, 2014 17:20:38 GMT
I've been mulling this one for a bit. What is really surprising is that I'm not a particular fan of mysteries as a genre. I don't read Agatha Christie, Arthur Conan Doyle or any other true mystery writers. Don't watch any of those shows for that matter. I am however, a fan of true crime. I love watching the workings of William's mind unfold the puzzle. Like snacky I return over and over to the episodes that push character development, though not necessarily shipping. So how then does a program appeal to both true mystery aficionados, a plot driven format, and to those of us who are drawn to character driven stories? The answer is: Murdoch Mysteries is an exceptionally well written show strengthened by an immensely talented cast. I'm the same way lovemondays, I'm not a "mysteries" fan at all and for that reason, I avoided Murdoch Mysteries like the plague until one evening last summer when I caught a few minutes of it before I grabbed the remote. What hooked me over the next few days was: (1) Brackenreid's calling Murdoch "old mucker" (my mum's from Yorkshire and I grew up hearing "Who do you think you are - Lady Muck?"---actually, it sounded more like "Mook")---(2) then I had to laugh out loud at some dark humour (Me, Myself and Murdoch) --when Wm was questioning the girl about the murder of her father and she told him she had the devil in her and he said something along the lines of "Do you expect me to believe ' the devil made you do it?' " that was a famous Flip Wilson punchline back in the 60's and was so incredibly out of place in that scenario but made me laugh and (3) the biggest hook of all for me...William's fantasies about Julia. Oddly out of place over bodies in the morgue but hinting of so much more. Three episodes in 3 nights and that was it....I binged all last summer and have never looked back  . |
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Post by rondetto on Jun 19, 2014 17:47:15 GMT
Yes I love those cliches, my favourite is "Bloody hell Murdoch"
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 19, 2014 18:33:22 GMT
I created a thread yesterday called "Thomasisms" as a place to share our favourite common saying and one-off lines from the intrepid inspector. It's in the Thomas Brackenreid character discussion.
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 19, 2014 19:29:52 GMT
"I found their love story so much interesting and so much original than I expected -or at least I wanted to- ships to be more positive, happier or funnier but I noticed that the writers have chosen to develop and to exagerate the ship on just one point: its dramatic aspect". I think I understand now. You wanted the relationship to focus on positive, happy development. Instead there were many obstacles, conflicts, and negative experiences. I must admit, I don't mind a lot of conflict. I actually prefer it, and I think it gives the show some fuel to go on. The sad moments make the happy moments sweeter. I do not hate conflicts or obstacles. They always brought a certain dynamic to their relationship. The problem is they never ended and I noticed they did the same for the relationship between George and Emily. Poor George! It would appear that there's no place for romance. One example of a conflict that I loved. It was when Julia and William had an argument (a great moment because they said to each other what they really thought about their mistakes; those which brought them to this absurd situation while they have never stopped loving each other) and it was normal to expected a réconciliation. But there was no real one. The writers had not bothered to create one. They just skipped it. So where was the happy moment which could be sweeter? Again there was no one. |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 19, 2014 19:39:35 GMT
Which episode was this particular argument in? William and Julia have had several but I think you are making an interesting point.
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 19, 2014 20:31:21 GMT
Relax and enjoy. It sounds to me like your frustration is the same as every other shipper of a scripted series. It is in the show's best interest to DRAG OUT the relationship for as long as possible, using every plot trick, no matter how stupid, to keep the star-crossed lovers apart. We could start a new thread on the ridiculous plot twists the writers of MM have used. I would call it "Julia's major mistakes" because she is always the one running from William (except when he went to the Yukon, but that made sense). I really enjoy thanks to Snacky and you. I loved when Julia and William have been playing a cat-and-mousse game. It's often the best part of the series. When the star-crossed lovers are a couple, writers offer viewers some romantic ships and then it's the routine so they decide to add some obstacles to make the story more interesting and in most cases, it's also the beginning of the end of the relationship. Julia is not the one who made mistakes. William also made some. He should never have silenced his feelings for her. He was dumb to make a promise to Darcy. No sense. We could start a thread on "who is responsible for this love disaster?". To finish, I remind you that I decided that I will focuse on mysteries. I think that's the only way to be not disappointed anymore and to keep enjoying MURDOCH MYSTERIES. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 19, 2014 21:02:31 GMT
(3) the biggest hook of all for me...William's fantasies about Julia. Oddly out of place over bodies in the morgue but hinting of so much more. Three episodes in 3 nights and that was it....I binged all last summer and have never looked back . I think everyone misses the fantasies! It just occurred to me how to slip these back in - at least in the romantic context (of course there is always opportunity as part of the mystery puzzle-solving context). In another thread we were talking about 19th century scholarly books that were secretly "naughty" - the Kama Sutra, Burton's annotations on The Arabian Nights, etc., and joking about the potential of leaving such books around with conveniently placed bookmarks. It seems to me that while William is still trying to figure out how to cultivate his marriage or solve marital problems, there is still room to have fantasies about how little strategies (like such auspiciously placed bookmarks) might play out. Hey, Powers That Be - bring back the fantasies!!!! |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 19, 2014 21:18:51 GMT
Which episode was this particular argument in? William and Julia have had several but I think you are making an interesting point. The eleventh episode of the sixth season: Lovers in a Murderous time". |
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Post by lovemondays on Jun 19, 2014 21:24:59 GMT
A thread entitled "who is responsible for this love disaster?" works for me. You are absolutely right that William's biggest mistake was in not expressing his feelings clearly, but Julia is the one who has actively made decisions to keep them apart.
I like the fantasies too!!
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Post by carco on Jun 19, 2014 21:26:38 GMT
(3) the biggest hook of all for me...William's fantasies about Julia. Oddly out of place over bodies in the morgue but hinting of so much more. Three episodes in 3 nights and that was it....I binged all last summer and have never looked back . I think everyone misses the fantasies! It just occurred to me how to slip these back in - at least in the romantic context (of course there is always opportunity as part of the mystery puzzle-solving context). In another thread we were talking about 19th century scholarly books that were secretly "naughty" - the Kama Sutra, Burton's annotations on The Arabian Nights, etc., and joking about the potential of leaving such books around with conveniently placed bookmarks. It seems to me that while William is still trying to figure out how to cultivate his marriage or solve marital problems, there is still room to have fantasies about how little strategies (like such auspiciously placed bookmarks) might play out. Hey, Powers That Be - bring back the fantasies!!!! Oh wow! I am definitely behind in my threads!! Maybe in the wee hours when sick hubby, sick dog and elderly mother are all sleeping soundly and the systems at work are all closed off to me while they do overnight "refresh", I can come here and read all the conversations I've missed or lost track of recently. Meanwhile, yes TPTB...we could REALLY use a new J/W fantasy. But, hey, even the old ones still make me smile. There's no "mystery tour" that can beat being inside William's head when he's thinking of Julia!! |
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And now is it better?
, very hard 
for me to express my opinons in english. Each time I try to make sentences which explain my reasoning in order that you can understand me and it takes me time and each time I'm not sure of the result. 
And it's fustrating. 
Soon you will simply grow tired of waiting my answers. 
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