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Post by snacky on Jun 22, 2014 21:56:39 GMT
I agree that these issues do not get a lot of coverage during the show. But people who are primarily a fan of the "mysteries" would argue that too much time is spent on "relationships" already: any more attention to relationships would make MM a "soap opera", and they would march out in a huff, and take some claimed-to-be-huge segment of the audience with them. I'm also a fan of the "mysteries" and that's why I wouldn't not say I want more time to develop relationships to make MM a "soap opera". The balance would be affect. But since the time for relationships is limited, they should be more revelant and more coherent in order to meet all the viewers. I find that most of the mysteries are very interesting and original. All above, I find the character of MURDOCH is very special even unique and I like the way he solves all these mysteries. Yes, I tend to focus on William rather than Julia even in relationship analysis. After all it is "Murdoch Mysteries".  By the way, I notice you still have the Bald Baby default avatar. Would you like me to make you one? I take requests. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 22, 2014 22:09:46 GMT
And I think everyone wants the Writing Team to BRING BACK THE FANTASIES!
How? In some other threads we've been speculating on ways that fantasies might be used to resolve conflicts or misunderstandings even after William and Julia are married. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 22, 2014 22:12:43 GMT
I'm also a fan of the "mysteries" and that's why I wouldn't not say I want more time to develop relationships to make MM a "soap opera". The balance would be affect. But since the time for relationships is limited, they should be more revelant and more coherent in order to meet all the viewers. I find that most of the mysteries are very interesting and original. All above, I find the character of MURDOCH is very special even unique and I like the way he solves all these mysteries. Yes, I tend to focus on William rather than Julia even in relationship analysis. After all it is "Murdoch Mysteries". By the way, I notice you still have the Bald Baby default avatar. Would you like me to make you one? I take requests. And because of his beautiful eyes?  Why not? Have fun! |
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Post by snacky on Jun 22, 2014 22:17:03 GMT
Yes, I tend to focus on William rather than Julia even in relationship analysis. After all it is "Murdoch Mysteries". By the way, I notice you still have the Bald Baby default avatar. Would you like me to make you one? I take requests. And because of his beautiful eyes? Why not? Have fun! What kind of picture would you like for your avatar? Just William? William/Julia? Other characters? From a particular episode? |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 22, 2014 23:45:14 GMT
...yet eveyone was speaking English!! The interesting thing to me is how much the Inspector says "Bloody" which is a terrible thing to say in England! I think it was (maybe still is) something akin to the "F bomb". Yes William and Julia's fantasies were something very unique to Murdoch Mysteries, I think. Shows set in present day just have the couple fall in bed together right away....no need for fantasies for them! But now William and Julia are engaged! I have a hunch (feeling) their wedding may not come as soon as we'd like (as in opening scene of Episode 1, S8!!!) although I imagine it WILL happen this season. So those two may have to live-in-their heads a little bit longer until they can be together. Let the fantasies begin!! Oh yes! Crabtree and Higgins are a great duo!! George has Murdoch and the Inspector who are above him and give him assignments, etc. and now, as George gains experience on the job and matures, he has started to do likewise with Higgins. But Higgins is not quite as willing to be George's underling so he sometimes "pushes back" when George gives him orders. They are good buddies and a bit like competative brothers. They have different personalities for sure and each of the characters is great on their own, too. Thank you for this full explanation. I didn't realise that you english speakers could have such difficulties to understand each other. "Bloody" is translated into a french blasphemous swearword which fit the language used at that time and not into something akin to the "F bomb". I know a US TV show sets in present day in which the main character fantasizes about men that she meet. It's older than MURDOCH MYSTERIES. There is not only one kind of fantasies (some of them were pure desires, others were daydreams and there were also hallucinations; they vary depending on the context) and these fantasies are a very specific way to make this TV show very popular and different to the others shows. About MURDOCH MYSTERIES, even if the wedding didn't take place early in the eighth season, they could flirt so I don't see how fantasies could be again introduced. William stopped fantasizing about Julia since her marriage to Darcy. And thank you for the precision in the brackets. It helps me to understand. Good summary! |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 22, 2014 23:49:41 GMT
And because of his beautiful eyes? Why not? Have fun! What kind of picture would you like for your avatar? Just William? William/Julia? Other characters? From a particular episode? A smiling William. Or a dumbfounded Will iam. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 22, 2014 23:54:34 GMT
I know a US TV show sets in present day in which the main character fantasizes about men that she meet. It's older than MURDOCH MYSTERIES. There is not only one kind of fantasies (some of them were pure desires, others were daydreams and there were also hallucinations; they vary depending on the context) and these fantasies are a very specific way to make this TV show very popular and different to the others shows. Let me take a guess: this show you're talking about was Ally McBeal? I don't think I'd want William to have that many fantasies! (or become such a flake!) But I do like it when he has a little romantic fantasy from time to time - and it's funny when in reality his plan goes awry. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 23, 2014 0:34:18 GMT
people who, like, me expected a darker, more serious murder mystery show and became intrigued by the quiet humour and very human characters. ...yet eveyone was speaking English!! So those two may have to live-in-their heads a little bit longer until they can be together. Let the fantasies begin!! Higgins is not quite as willing to be George's underling so he sometimes "pushes back" when George gives him orders. They are good buddies and a bit like competative brothers. I have been having trouble getting people in the US to try MM because they assume the style will be like PBS mysteries: the US viewership is not accustomed to the pacing and humor of those. Of course, in the US it's just danged hard to FIND MM under a DIFFERENT NAME on the incredibly obscure Ovation channel. But that's a different story. Anyway, MM is not what people assume it would be from where it falls on their "cognitive map" of the TV universe. English: OMG, when I studied in England, I couldn't understand lectures for a month!!! This baffled me since I understood British English as spoken on PBS and in Shakespeare plays. But live at Oxford it was incomprehensible. D: Regarding the fantasies: I think there is scope for the fantasies to continue even within marriage. Miscommunication and "compartmentalization" can still happen. Fights lead to anticipated resolutions. Encounters can be imagined in advanced. A few nights apart or a sense of things getting too boring might lead to some thoughts on how to spice things up. ...never have the same sort of authority William does. Try to imagine George telling Higgins to put on a dress and shoot a pig. Or dig holes while he leans against a tree and coolly observes. Since I knew MURDOCH MYSTERIES, I met just one person who kew this serie and she didn't know that the fifth season was shot. PBS??? A another "mystery " for me.  About english, I started watching TV shows in their original version because -as you already know - patience is not my strong point. But I'm not able to make the difference between american and british words. About the fantasies: it would be plausible. And if that is the case, William is so much awkward than there will be a lot. Detective MURDOCH is very good at delegating unpleasant tasks to the poor George. He does in a natural manner. I love it! |
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Post by snacky on Jun 23, 2014 0:38:00 GMT
What kind of picture would you like for your avatar? Just William? William/Julia? Other characters? From a particular episode? A smiling William. Or a dumbfounded Will iam.Do you like this?  If you do, save it to your computer. Then go to the "Profile" link right under the banner at the top of the forum. You should see where to upload your avatar from there. Just let me know if you need more detailed help. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 23, 2014 0:46:29 GMT
Since I knew MURDOCH MYSTERIES, I met just one person who kew this serie and she didn't know that the fifth season was shot. PBS??? A another "mystery " for me. Detective MURDOCH is very good at delegating unpleasant tasks to the poor George. He does in a natural manner. I love it! PBS is our government-funded television. It also runs shows made in England, Canada, and other European countries that are considered to be educational or "high quality". They tend to be mystery series set in historical periods. William does delegate a lot to poor George! This is one thing I like about Murdoch Mysteries: William is not a perfect man: he has flaws and foibles. One flaw is that he takes advantage of George. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 23, 2014 0:53:00 GMT
I know a US TV show sets in present day in which the main character fantasizes about men that she meet. It's older than MURDOCH MYSTERIES. There is not only one kind of fantasies (some of them were pure desires, others were daydreams and there were also hallucinations; they vary depending on the context) and these fantasies are a very specific way to make this TV show very popular and different to the others shows. Let me take a guess: this show you're talking about was Ally McBeal? I don't think I'd want William to have that many fantasies! (or become such a flake!) ...it's funny when in reality his plan goes awry. Yes. And neither would I. I just wanted to emphasize that "fantasies" are not new in the TV shows and they were a determining factor in the success of Ally McBeal but they used in a very different way. Their purposes/effects were totally different. I agree! It's also cute and touching. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jun 23, 2014 0:57:14 GMT
A smiling William. Or a dumbfounded Will iam.Do you like this? If you do, save it to your computer. Then go to the "Profile" link right under the banner at the top of the forum. You should see where to upload your avatar from there. Just let me know if you need more detailed help. Yes! I will explain you why but now I have to go. Thank you! |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 5, 2014 14:07:27 GMT
I love it! It reminds me of me every time I was watching a all new MURDOCH MYSTERIES episode. Indeed, I focused all my attention on it -and I surely frowned- in the one hand in order to well understand what characters were saying and on the other hand to find out the culprit/to resolve the mystery. And I waited until I was enlightened. Thanks again for this picture! |
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Post by snacky on Jul 5, 2014 18:04:36 GMT
It reminds me of me every time I was watching a all new MURDOCH MYSTERIES episode. Indeed, I focused all my attention on it -and I surely frowned- in the one hand in order to well understand what characters were saying and on the other hand to find out the culprit/to resolve the mystery. And I waited until I was enlightened. You're welcome.  I'm finding I have to focus even harder, too. I'm discovering there are even more layers than I thought there war. Someone on Tumblr pointed out the way the writers/producers/creative team of Murdoch Mysteries used the Victorian "language of flowers" to express the rivalry between Leslie Garland and George: Leslie brought Emily a rose for passion and George brought Emily violets, which stand for loyalty. An earlier episode (Werewolves?) also made explicit use of the "language of flowers" when Julia spotted the salvias that Enid gave William in William's office: when Julia said they meant "thinking of you", William did a hopeful double-take, thinking Julia was referring to him. This reminds me of the way people used to talk about Disney animated movies: fun for the kids, but also packed with jokes aimed at adults so the chaperones would enjoy the movie, too. Murdoch Mysteries has a light-hearted, superficial level, but then some deeper levels for people who are interested in historical accuracy, a consistent series-arching storylines (character development, the romance), and, apparently, some very sneaky symbolism). I'll have to brush up on my symbolism. What's hilarious is that I never learned about the "language of flowers" from years of historical and cultural reading. I learned about it from a cheesy, totally character-inappropriate slash fanfic I read about 10 years ago. Who says your time is completely wasted by trawling the underworld of fandom?  |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 6, 2014 12:10:17 GMT
Leslie brought Emily a rose for passion and George brought Emily violets, which stand for loyalty. An earlier episode (Werewolves?) also made explicit use of the "language of flowers" when Julia spotted the salvias that Enid gave William in William's office: when Julia said they meant "thinking of you", William did a hopeful double-take, thinking Julia was referring to him. This reminds me of the way people used to talk about Disney animated movies: fun for the kids, but also packed with jokes aimed at adults so the chaperones would enjoy the movie, too. Murdoch Mysteries has a light-hearted, superficial level, but then some deeper levels for people who are interested in historical accuracy, a consistent series-arching storylines (character development, the romance), and, apparently, some very sneaky symbolism). I'll have to brush up on my symbolism. What's hilarious is that I never learned about the "language of flowers" from years of historical and cultural reading. I learned about it from a cheesy, totally character-inappropriate slash fanfic I read about 10 years ago. Who says your time is completely wasted by trawling the underworld of fandom? I would never -really: NEVER!- have known about the symbolism based on the choice of the flowers in this scene without your explanation; I was only focused on the disappointment of George. Although I don't care about the relationship between Emily and George, I find the dicerning parallel very interesting. Concerning the scene between Julia and William, it was more easy to understand because the writers gave us all the data necessary for that. This was a smart way/a good process to emphasize/highlight the deep feelings of the characters. Good work! And yes, I watch series to relax but it doesn't mean that I "turn my brain off". I could go even further and say that it can be a recreational way of learning and improving my general knowledge. I must admit I didn't know much about Canada. |
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