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Post by Terence's Top Hat on Jul 9, 2012 22:48:21 GMT
I can't believe I missed this episode and the one with Terence Myers last season. I actually caught these two over the summer holidays. Then again CITY was always changing the time and day. I must say I really enjoyed this episode. The French detective was a real scene stealer. He and Julia seemed to have some major chemistry going on. Woot! Hopefully they'll bring him back. I found him a hoot. I also liked the scenes when Higgins and George are painting the portrait together.
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 3:59:14 GMT
My comment: William looked sooo uncomfortable, shifting around in the carriage while Inspector Guillaume proposed that he take Julia as his mistress. Whether he would consider taking Julia as a mistress or not, he definitely looked like some thought about taking Julia in that carriage was flashing through he head. If this is not evidence toward the Virgin Theory, I would say it was evidence that he had been waiting around for some time.
Also, once Guillaume informed William that Julia was glancing at him, I think William was checking for that and subconsciously re-evaluating Julia's relationship with Darcy.
Eclair's comment (after seeing William's reaction to Guillaume parade his mistress/wife threesome in the hotel room - this follows the love letter reading scene, too): "William is dense."
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 9, 2014 4:07:12 GMT
My comment: William looked sooo uncomfortable, shifting around in the carriage while Inspector Guillaume proposed that he take Julia as his mistress. Whether he would consider taking Julia as a mistress or not, he definitely looked like some thought about taking Julia in that carriage was flashing through he head. If this is not evidence toward the Virgin Theory, I would say it was evidence that he had been waiting around for some time. Also, once Guillaume informed William that Julia was glancing at him, I think William was checking for that and subconsciously re-evaluating Julia's relationship with Darcy. Eclair's comment (after seeing William's reaction to Guillaume parade his mistress/wife threesome in the hotel room - this follows the love letter reading scene, too): "William is dense." I think I like Eclair  . I think Inspector Guillaume nailed W/J feelings for each other and Wm was beyond embarrassed at being caught! His squirming had more to do with William's dark thought vs religious teachings. Guillaume was likely Catholic which would further intensify William's discomfort. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 5:12:29 GMT
I think I like Eclair . I think Inspector Guillaume nailed W/J feelings for each other and Wm was beyond embarrassed at being caught! His squirming had more to do with William's dark thought vs religious teachings. Guillaume was likely Catholic which would further intensify William's discomfort. Eclair is a very thoughtful and nice guy, with the added bonus of being a Catholic from a Catholic country - so he's bound to have some insight on these matters. Still working on getting him to post for himself though.  You could definitely see the "dark places" happening in William's head...but since Inspector Guillaume was also Catholic, I don't think it's the Catholic religion weighing too heavily here. William's personal morality is mix of Jesuit (conservative at the time) Catholicism, Victorian propriety, a professional environment dominated by Protestants and Protestant ideas, the Canadian legal system, etc. In the presence of Inspector Guillaume, William has to wonder if he is overly bound by convention: there is no outlet for his desires, yet the man sitting right beside him is also a Catholic, and he's drinking wine with lunch and enjoying a threesome - with his WIFE - before breakfast! The rules William lives by are obviously artificial, and they may have kept him from forming a truly intimate relationship with Julia, where he could have been realizing some of those desires that were making him squirm. The carriage was also a car on the cluetrain. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 9, 2014 5:19:04 GMT
I think I like Eclair . I think Inspector Guillaume nailed W/J feelings for each other and Wm was beyond embarrassed at being caught! His squirming had more to do with William's dark thought vs religious teachings. Guillaume was likely Catholic which would further intensify William's discomfort. Eclair is a very thoughtful and nice guy, with the added bonus of being a Catholic from a Catholic country - so he's bound to have some insight on these matters. Still working on getting him to post for himself though. You could definitely see the "dark places" happening in William's head...but since Inspector Guillaume was also Catholic, I don't think it's the Catholic religion weighing too heavily here. William's personal morality is mix of Jesuit (conservative at the time) Catholicism, Victorian propriety, a professional environment dominated by Protestants and Protestant ideas, the Canadian legal system, etc. In the presence of Inspector Guillaume, William has to wonder if he is overly bound by convention: there is no outlet for his desires, yet the man sitting right beside him is also a Catholic, and he's drinking wine with lunch and enjoying a threesome - with his WIFE - before breakfast! The rules William lives by are obviously artificial, and they may have kept him from forming a truly intimate relationship with Julia, where he could have been realizing some of those desires that were making him squirm. The carriage was also a car on the cluetrain. Guillaume is almost an anti-William. They're both detectives, both Catholic, but they have almost opposite lifestyles. In the last scene I kind of picture William contemplating Julia as his mistress, with the nearly instantaneous "bad William" ricochet through his brain. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 9, 2014 6:34:07 GMT
My comment: William looked sooo uncomfortable, shifting around in the carriage while Inspector Guillaume proposed that he take Julia as his mistress. Whether he would consider taking Julia as a mistress or not, he definitely looked like some thought about taking Julia in that carriage was flashing through he head. If this is not evidence toward the Virgin Theory, I would say it was evidence that he had been waiting around for some time. Also, once Guillaume informed William that Julia was glancing at him, I think William was checking for that and subconsciously re-evaluating Julia's relationship with Darcy. Eclair's comment (after seeing William's reaction to Guillaume parade his mistress/wife threesome in the hotel room - this follows the love letter reading scene, too): "William is dense." I think I like Eclair . I think Inspector Guillaume nailed W/J feelings for each other and Wm was beyond embarrassed at being caught! His squirming had more to do with William's dark thought vs religious teachings. Guillaume was likely Catholic which would further intensify William's discomfort. My husband made a similar comment about William when he didn't stop the wedding-something along the lines of "way to condemn the love of your life". |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 9, 2014 6:34:58 GMT
Eclair is a very thoughtful and nice guy, with the added bonus of being a Catholic from a Catholic country - so he's bound to have some insight on these matters. Still working on getting him to post for himself though. You could definitely see the "dark places" happening in William's head...but since Inspector Guillaume was also Catholic, I don't think it's the Catholic religion weighing too heavily here. William's personal morality is mix of Jesuit (conservative at the time) Catholicism, Victorian propriety, a professional environment dominated by Protestants and Protestant ideas, the Canadian legal system, etc. In the presence of Inspector Guillaume, William has to wonder if he is overly bound by convention: there is no outlet for his desires, yet the man sitting right beside him is also a Catholic, and he's drinking wine with lunch and enjoying a threesome - with his WIFE - before breakfast! The rules William lives by are obviously artificial, and they may have kept him from forming a truly intimate relationship with Julia, where he could have been realizing some of those desires that were making him squirm. The carriage was also a car on the cluetrain. Guillaume is almost an anti-William. They're both detectives, both Catholic, but they have almost opposite lifestyles. In the last scene I kind of picture William contemplating Julia as his mistress, with the nearly instantaneous "bad William" ricochet through his brain. Oh, he absolutely entertained the idea before rejecting it. Guillaume knew it too. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 6:38:07 GMT
Guillaume is almost an anti-William. They're both detectives, both Catholic, but they have almost opposite lifestyles. In the last scene I kind of picture William contemplating Julia as his mistress, with the nearly instantaneous "bad William" ricochet through his brain. I think of Guillaume as a sort of mentor, or perhaps the "Ghost of Christmas Present". He shows William could be if he loosened his tie a little bit. I agree "bad William" is ricocheting through his brain, but I bet he finishes that fantasy. If not in the carriage, later on that night.  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 6:44:52 GMT
Oh, he absolutely entertained the idea before rejecting it. Guillaume knew it too. How could Guillaume miss it - William practically tipped over the carriage with that squirm!  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 6:47:57 GMT
My husband made a similar comment about William when he didn't stop the wedding-something along the lines of "way to condemn the love of your life". Did he feel there was something deliberate/vengeful in it? Lovemondays feels Julia was being selfish by choosing to work in the morgue. While William (masochistically) wanted that and brought that situation into being, perhaps another part of him also resented Julia for doing that since it pained him to constantly see Julia there. Especially has the wedding approached, and he could see the evidence of her upcoming nuptials all around. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 9, 2014 7:11:28 GMT
My husband made a similar comment about William when he didn't stop the wedding-something along the lines of "way to condemn the love of your life". Did he feel there was something deliberate/vengeful in it? Lovemondays feels Julia was being selfish by choosing to work in the morgue. While William (masochistically) wanted that and brought that situation into being, perhaps another part of him also resented Julia for doing that since it pained him to constantly see Julia there. Especially has the wedding approached, and he could see the evidence of her upcoming nuptials all around. I just asked him right now, and after a lot of prodding, he finally said that he didn't understand how a man could know that the woman he loved was asking him to stop her wedding and just let it go. I also asked him about honor, and he says that if the woman you loved asked you to do something, then that trumped honor. He also shrugged and said it was a contrived plot device for television and that I was overthinking it.  Hrmph, men! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 7:26:52 GMT
I just asked him right now, and after a lot of prodding, he finally said that he didn't understand how a man could know that the woman he loved was asking him to stop her wedding and just let it go. I also asked him about honor, and he says that if the woman you loved asked you to do something, then that trumped honor. He also shrugged and said it was a contrived plot device for television and that I was overthinking it. Hrmph, men! But...but...Ava Moon was going to hang in the contrived plot device! I think the emptying of the Station House was the only way William could have helped her to escape. I think it was more than just a matter of honor and correcting old mistakes: William couldn't watch this woman hang knowing what she had been through and knowing his own part in it. Your man is not on board with the "guilty pleasures".  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 9, 2014 7:37:33 GMT
I just asked him right now, and after a lot of prodding, he finally said that he didn't understand how a man could know that the woman he loved was asking him to stop her wedding and just let it go. I also asked him about honor, and he says that if the woman you loved asked you to do something, then that trumped honor. He also shrugged and said it was a contrived plot device for television and that I was overthinking it. Hrmph, men! But...but...Ava Moon was going to hang in the contrived plot device! I think the emptying of the Station House was the only way William could have helped her to escape. I think it was more than just a matter of honor and correcting old mistakes: William couldn't watch this woman hang knowing what she had been through and knowing his own part in it. Your man is not on board with the "guilty pleasures". But, he and Brax have been content to "put in a word" or two about special circumstances before to the CP, so why didn't he do that here? Oh yeah, he had to be a martyr, that's why. I do agree with the plot device to a point, but yeah, it's fun to overthink it. I told him this is fun for folks like me-just like he watches every Apple keynote speech and reads MacRumors regularly. He's a techie, I'm a thinker. Our weaknesses are the other's strength. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 8:12:23 GMT
But, he and Brax have been content to "put in a word" or two about special circumstances before to the CP, so why didn't he do that here? Oh yeah, he had to be a martyr, that's why. I do agree with the plot device to a point, but yeah, it's fun to overthink it. I told him this is fun for folks like me-just like he watches every Apple keynote speech and reads MacRumors regularly. He's a techie, I'm a thinker. Our weaknesses are the other's strength. I don't think William was willing to risk the "special circumstances" not working - especially since he had a personally hand in the tragedy. Maybe he even felt a lake of burning fire awaited him if he didn't act. Re: Guilty pleasures - Peter Mitchell was right in saying period drama is the same as sci fi, since it creates a separate universe. If your hubby understands trekkies, enuf said. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 9, 2014 8:21:09 GMT
But, he and Brax have been content to "put in a word" or two about special circumstances before to the CP, so why didn't he do that here? Oh yeah, he had to be a martyr, that's why. I do agree with the plot device to a point, but yeah, it's fun to overthink it. I told him this is fun for folks like me-just like he watches every Apple keynote speech and reads MacRumors regularly. He's a techie, I'm a thinker. Our weaknesses are the other's strength. I don't think William was willing to risk the "special circumstances" not working - especially since he had a personally hand in the tragedy. Maybe he even felt a lake of burning fire awaited him if he didn't act. Re: Guilty pleasures - Peter Mitchell was right in saying period drama is the same as sci fi, since it creates a separate universe. If your hubby understands trekkies, enuf said. I think he does, he just can't believe that we spend hours dissecting scenes. But, he's a sci-fi guy for sure. I have to give him credit, he's also started watching Miss Fisher with me as well, when he's not the biggest mystery guy. I think he likes watching me geek out even if he does tease me about it. |
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. I think Inspector Guillaume nailed W/J feelings for each other and Wm was beyond embarrassed at being caught! His squirming had more to do with William's dark thought vs religious teachings. Guillaume was likely Catholic which would further intensify William's discomfort.
Hrmph, men!
