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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 6:51:10 GMT
I am just watching this now. It occurs to me that William is far less disturbed by the homosexual behavior of Roderick Dalewood than he was with Wendell Merrick in Till Death Do Us Part. The word "sodomite" never comes up. Has William accepted Julia's position that we "are all animals" or has he waffled on his Catholic teachings re "the love that dare not speak its name"? Maybe William is just so gobsmacked (or intrigued) by Inspector Guillaume's threesome that homosexuality misses his moral radar!?! That or he was too busy fantasizing about taking Julia as a mistress. You know he entertained the idea before rejecting it.He only rejected it because he wanted her for his wife more. And that nagging religious doctrine would keep buzzing in his brain. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 16, 2014 7:10:28 GMT
That or he was too busy fantasizing about taking Julia as a mistress. You know he entertained the idea before rejecting it.I'm not sure he could even entertain the idea in the factual/reasonable part of his brain, but I'm sure he fantasized about it - probably in elaborate detail. Probably for days, if not months on end. That thought was probably the equivalent of a bad music earworm for William!  I think he went home night after night and did fantasize about it. Which is why he was more than happy to have her work with him day after day, it gave him more to fantasize about at night-a lonely man's concession. To continue with the thorn in the flesh analogy, that must have been a hard one-to have helplessly coveted another man's wife. Talk about having to be dependent upon God's grace-there was nothing William could do-you can't control your feelings. Ouch. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 16, 2014 7:13:15 GMT
That or he was too busy fantasizing about taking Julia as a mistress. You know he entertained the idea before rejecting it.He only rejected it because he wanted her for his wife more. And that nagging religious doctrine would keep buzzing in his brain. Absolutely! He couldn't help his feelings, but he could control his actions. Besides, having her as a mistress would never have been enough for him-it was everything or nothing for him. Season 6 Julia was fine with the idea however-but William was too close to getting everything he'd ever wanted-delayed gratification was not a foreign concept to him anyway. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 7:15:37 GMT
He only rejected it because he wanted her for his wife more. And that nagging religious doctrine would keep buzzing in his brain. Absolutely! He couldn't help his feelings, but he could control his actions. Besides, having her as a mistress would never have been enough for him-it was everything or nothing for him. Season 6 Julia was fine with the idea however-but William was too close to getting everything he'd ever wanted-delayed gratification was not a foreign concept to him anyway. William is the king of delayed gratification where Julia is concerned. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 7:19:18 GMT
He only rejected it because he wanted her for his wife more. And that nagging religious doctrine would keep buzzing in his brain. Absolutely! He couldn't help his feelings, but he could control his actions. Besides, having her as a mistress would never have been enough for him-it was everything or nothing for him. Season 6 Julia was fine with the idea however-but William was too close to getting everything he'd ever wanted-delayed gratification was not a foreign concept to him anyway. Also, I think a "mistress" was something like a "courtesan" in William's head. That's only a short step up from a dollymop, and it opens up the entire can of Dark Places worms. He can't imagine his Wife!Julia doing that. But once Guillaume brings it up, his mind probably fetches up that subconscious Dark!Julia image from I Murdoch, and there's a whole different line of fantasies to be pursued. And why not, since Julia isn't going to be his wife anyway. She might as well be the Porn Star of his dreams. That's a whole lot of confessing/penance to do after, though.  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 7:20:17 GMT
Absolutely! He couldn't help his feelings, but he could control his actions. Besides, having her as a mistress would never have been enough for him-it was everything or nothing for him. Season 6 Julia was fine with the idea however-but William was too close to getting everything he'd ever wanted-delayed gratification was not a foreign concept to him anyway. William is the king of delayed gratification where Julia is concerned. And/or sheet laundry. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 7:25:45 GMT
William is the king of delayed gratification where Julia is concerned. And/or sheet laundry. That would be a sin which would require a rather embarrassing confession to his priest who has a crush on him. However, even dreams could technically fall into the category of coveting another man's wife. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 16, 2014 7:26:38 GMT
Absolutely! He couldn't help his feelings, but he could control his actions. Besides, having her as a mistress would never have been enough for him-it was everything or nothing for him. Season 6 Julia was fine with the idea however-but William was too close to getting everything he'd ever wanted-delayed gratification was not a foreign concept to him anyway. Also, I think a "mistress" was something like a "courtesan" in William's head. That's only a short step up from a dollymop, and it opens up the entire can of Dark Places worms. He can't imagine his Wife!Julia doing that. But once Guillaume brings it up, his mind probably fetches up that subconscious Dark!Julia image from I Murdoch, and there's a whole different line of fantasies to be pursued. And why not, since Julia isn't going to be his wife anyway. She might as well be the Porn Star of his dreams. That's a whole lot of confessing/penance to do after, though. I think he entertained it, but there was that slight problem of her being another man's wife, and that meant she wouldn't have been completely his. I think that if William was going to give himself to Julia, he'd do it completely, and would want the same from her. It was never just about the sexual act with her-it's always been much deeper. By season 7 he's figured this out, and he's going to share every part of his life with her and demand likewise from her. I think it's all or nothing with William. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 7:26:53 GMT
He only rejected it because he wanted her for his wife more. And that nagging religious doctrine would keep buzzing in his brain. Absolutely! He couldn't help his feelings, but he could control his actions. Besides, having her as a mistress would never have been enough for him-it was everything or nothing for him. Season 6 Julia was fine with the idea however-but William was too close to getting everything he'd ever wanted-delayed gratification was not a foreign concept to him anyway. Julia's "Modest Proposal" makes me wonder what she's been reading besides Dracula. Something had to make that acceptable, if radical, within her ideological framework. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 16, 2014 7:28:45 GMT
And/or sheet laundry. That would be a sin which would require a rather embarrassing confession to his priest who has a crush on him. However, even dreams could technically fall into the category of coveting another man's wife. Oy, if you wanted to write super angsty fic **looks at Snacky**, you could write season 4/5 and to a lesser extent 6 William/Confession fic. Oh, my... |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 7:28:46 GMT
I think it's all or nothing with William. I agree it's all or nothing in the real world, but that doesn't mean Julia didn't become fodder for his fantasies for weeks on end. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 16, 2014 7:31:11 GMT
Absolutely! He couldn't help his feelings, but he could control his actions. Besides, having her as a mistress would never have been enough for him-it was everything or nothing for him. Season 6 Julia was fine with the idea however-but William was too close to getting everything he'd ever wanted-delayed gratification was not a foreign concept to him anyway. Julia's "Modest Proposal" makes me wonder what she's been reading besides Dracula. Something had to make that acceptable, if radical, within her ideological framework. I don't know so much about Canadian society at the turn of the century, but in Europe arrangements such as this were not completely unheard of-perhaps this is the knowledge she drew upon when she made that proposal. There was a part of her that enjoyed the thought of being able to "revel in the outrageousness". |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 7:31:50 GMT
That would be a sin which would require a rather embarrassing confession to his priest who has a crush on him. However, even dreams could technically fall into the category of coveting another man's wife. Oy, if you wanted to write super angsty fic **looks at Snacky**, you could write season 4/5 and to a lesser extent 6 William/Confession fic. Oh, my... hmm, coveting another man's wife. I like it! But is a fic about dreams anywhere near as satisfying as a fic about the real thing?   |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 7:32:42 GMT
That would be a sin which would require a rather embarrassing confession to his priest who has a crush on him. However, even dreams could technically fall into the category of coveting another man's wife. Oy, if you wanted to write super angsty fic **looks at Snacky**, you could write season 4/5 and to a lesser extent 6 William/Confession fic. Oh, my... I'll leave you two to plan that confession fic while I go to sleep...and dream things I'm very thankful not to have to confess. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 7:34:59 GMT
Julia's "Modest Proposal" makes me wonder what she's been reading besides Dracula. Something had to make that acceptable, if radical, within her ideological framework. I don't know so much about Canadian society at the turn of the century, but in Europe arrangements such as this were not completely unheard of-perhaps this is the knowledge she drew upon when she made that proposal. There was a part of her that enjoyed the thought of being able to "revel in the outrageousness". There was a part of high society that got away with it and a part of high society that didn't (House of Mirth). It depended on how protected you were, and they wouldn't be protected because William wasn't even upper class. Julia was indulging in fantasies that couldn't even apply to their situation. |
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