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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 8:35:42 GMT
I think he does, he just can't believe that we spend hours dissecting scenes. But, he's a sci-fi guy for sure. I have to give him credit, he's also started watching Miss Fisher with me as well, when he's not the biggest mystery guy. I think he likes watching me geek out even if he does tease me about it. You will have to explain to me what hooked you into Miss Fisher. I've watche 2 episodes, and still no feels.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 9, 2014 8:49:44 GMT
I think he does, he just can't believe that we spend hours dissecting scenes. But, he's a sci-fi guy for sure. I have to give him credit, he's also started watching Miss Fisher with me as well, when he's not the biggest mystery guy. I think he likes watching me geek out even if he does tease me about it. You will have to explain to me what hooked you into Miss Fisher. I've watche 2 episodes, and still no feels. While MM intrigued me with me just one episode, it took me a few to become obsessed. Miss Fisher's-while it doesn't make me crazy like MM does (yet), is still good fun |
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Post by snacky on Nov 9, 2014 8:54:28 GMT
You will have to explain to me what hooked you into Miss Fisher. I've watche 2 episodes, and still no feels. While MM intrigued me with me just one episode, it took me a few to become obsessed. Miss Fisher's-while it doesn't make me crazy like MM does (yet), is still good fun She seems so mean-spirited!  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 9, 2014 8:58:24 GMT
While MM intrigued me with me just one episode, it took me a few to become obsessed. Miss Fisher's-while it doesn't make me crazy like MM does (yet), is still good fun She seems so mean-spirited! I don't think so at all-she's an independent woman who knows what she wants and is pretty up front about it. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 12, 2014 15:02:45 GMT
While MM intrigued me with me just one episode, it took me a few to become obsessed. Miss Fisher's-while it doesn't make me crazy like MM does (yet), is still good fun She seems so mean-spirited! She's complicated. The more you get into it, the more you realize she's haunted by both her sister's murder, and all the blood and gore she saw as a nurse during the war. She seems flippant, but she's very loyal to those she chooses to surround herself with and can be a softie as well as quite affected by events. She has sworn she'll never marry, and takes numerous lovers. Yet, she's very drawn to the Inspector, not at all like most of the men she beds. The same goes for Inspector Detective Jack Robinson-he seems like a gruff codger, but he quickly sees the benefit of working with Phryne and starts to become quite taken with her-much to his chagrin. He's reluctantly falling for her, and this is problematic because he's married-albeit estranged from his ex-wife who didn't care for the man who returned from the war. Give it a shot-it starts to draw you in the further you get. I also really like how yes, it's the roaring 20's, and everyone's having a good time, but that it's also addressing why people returning from the horrors of war wanted to have a good time-they'd seen some serious shit overseas. Plus, the mysteries, cars, music, and fashion are fun. Not an exact copy of MM, but definitely a lot of parallels. I'm really getting into it. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 12, 2014 17:28:04 GMT
Give it a shot-it starts to draw you in the further you get. I also really like how yes, it's the roaring 20's, and everyone's having a good time, but that it's also addressing why people returning from the horrors of war wanted to have a good time-they'd seen some serious shit overseas. Plus, the mysteries, cars, music, and fashion are fun. Not an exact copy of MM, but definitely a lot of parallels. I'm really getting into it. The backstory might make it easier to view. I think what also put me off is the ep I saw did have the "cozy" tone and pacing of a PBS mystery and blending right into the previous Poirot. But set in Australia. My housemate and I were very confused by the characters and what was going on and couldn't find out much from Wikipedia. But now it will make more sense, so it might look a lot different, lol. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 2:45:38 GMT
I am just watching this now. It occurs to me that William is far less disturbed by the homosexual behavior of Roderick Dalewood than he was with Wendell Merrick in Till Death Do Us Part. The word "sodomite" never comes up. Has William accepted Julia's position that we "are all animals" or has he waffled on his Catholic teachings re "the love that dare not speak its name"?
Maybe William is just so gobsmacked (or intrigued) by Inspector Guillaume's threesome that homosexuality misses his moral radar!?!
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 3:55:11 GMT
I am just watching this now. It occurs to me that William is far less disturbed by the homosexual behavior of Roderick Dalewood than he was with Wendell Merrick in Till Death Do Us Part. The word "sodomite" never comes up. Has William accepted Julia's position that we "are all animals" or has he waffled on his Catholic teachings re "the love that dare not speak its name"? Maybe William is just so gobsmacked (or intrigued) by Inspector Guillaume's threesome that homosexuality misses his moral radar!?! That's true - and I think Sally Pendrick also may have adjusted his thinking a little. He's realized that it makes him a better detective to drop the judgement and just observe. Times are changing! |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 16, 2014 4:11:18 GMT
I am just watching this now. It occurs to me that William is far less disturbed by the homosexual behavior of Roderick Dalewood than he was with Wendell Merrick in Till Death Do Us Part. The word "sodomite" never comes up. Has William accepted Julia's position that we "are all animals" or has he waffled on his Catholic teachings re "the love that dare not speak its name"? Maybe William is just so gobsmacked (or intrigued) by Inspector Guillaume's threesome that homosexuality misses his moral radar!?! Till Death Do Us Part made me a fan of William, he has so much growth in this one episode alone. He comes into this episode firmly entrenched in the belief that homosexuality is a sin. I wonder if he's ever had any contact with homosexuals before, perhaps not. In this episode he realizes that they're people just like everyone else and they can also be decent people. I don't think Julia's speech had much to do with it. He now realizes that the teachings of the church can be wrong and he's no longer willing to follow blindly. Way to go William!! This is still one of my favourite episodes. By the time he gets to Monsieur Murdoch he's no longer bound by the church's ideas on homosexuality and no longer has a problem with anyone that identifies as such. He doesn't think twice about the married couple in Murdochophobia either, by then it's no longer on his radar. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 4:49:43 GMT
By the time he gets to Monsieur Murdoch he's no longer bound by the church's ideas on homosexuality and no longer has a problem with anyone that identifies as such. He doesn't think twice about the married couple in Murdochophobia either, by then it's no longer on his radar. I completely agree about William`s growth in this area. I`m not convinced though that it`s not on his radar. I believe he`s decided that it shouldn`t be a major issue in his investigation (unless there`s a scorned lover). IMO William has made a cognitive choice, not necessarily a religious choice. To me he does that much later in Winston`s Lost Night when he prays about marriage to a divorced Julia. He concludes that no true love can be truly wrong. In that respect he`s found a way to feel truly married despite the Church`s teachings and that`s when I believe he loses the last of his issues with homosexuality. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 5:09:27 GMT
I completely agree about William`s growth in this area. I`m not convinced though that it`s not on his radar. I believe he`s decided that it shouldn`t be a major issue in his investigation (unless there`s a scorned lover). IMO William has made a cognitive choice, not necessarily a religious choice. To me he does that much later in Winston`s Lost Night when he prays about marriage to a divorced Julia. He concludes that no true love can be truly wrong. In that respect he`s found a way to feel truly married despite the Church`s teachings and that`s when I believe he loses the last of his issues with homosexuality. Also, I suspect he has a pretty radical priest. And that priest may be homosexual. And that priest may be totally secret crushing on William for years
But mainly I think it was part of William's growth as a man and as a detective to become more open-minded, and Julia helped him to do that. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 5:19:03 GMT
I completely agree about William`s growth in this area. I`m not convinced though that it`s not on his radar. I believe he`s decided that it shouldn`t be a major issue in his investigation (unless there`s a scorned lover). IMO William has made a cognitive choice, not necessarily a religious choice. To me he does that much later in Winston`s Lost Night when he prays about marriage to a divorced Julia. He concludes that no true love can be truly wrong. In that respect he`s found a way to feel truly married despite the Church`s teachings and that`s when I believe he loses the last of his issues with homosexuality. Also, I suspect he has a pretty radical priest. And that priest may be homosexual. And that priest may be totally secret crushing on William for years
But mainly I think it was part of William's growth as a man and as a detective to become more open-minded, and Julia helped him to do that. I wouldn't disagree with any of that.  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 5:22:06 GMT
Till Death Do Us Part made me a fan of William, he has so much growth in this one episode alone. He comes into this episode firmly entrenched in the belief that homosexuality is a sin. I wonder if he's ever had any contact with homosexuals before, perhaps not. In this episode he realizes that they're people just like everyone else and they can also be decent people. I don't think Julia's speech had much to do with it. He now realizes that the teachings of the church can be wrong and he's no longer willing to follow blindly. Way to go William!! This is still one of my favourite episodes. By the time he gets to Monsieur Murdoch he's no longer bound by the church's ideas on homosexuality and no longer has a problem with anyone that identifies as such. He doesn't think twice about the married couple in Murdochophobia either, by then it's no longer on his radar. I loved that William was willing to do what it took to enter the world of this case, even though it was so nerve-wracking for him. And by the end of the episode, he was sympathetic enough to warn the "tennis club" to move. Good point about Murdochophobia: perhaps he also realized it's God's place to judge, not his. Monsieur Murdoch is one of my favorite episodes because while William isn't going to entertain taking Julia for a mistress, the fact Guillaume is a fellow lawman opens up his "parameters" sooooooooo much. That squirming in the carriage is his imagination running wild with the possibilities! It's also interesting how Julia's theme, even before she realizes that William is still in love with her, is to make William express his feelings some how. Later in Dead End Street, she pushes emotional awareness and communication. In this episode she - after catching a bit of Guillaume's advice to William - agrees we should all try to be a little more French. She waited for months for a letter in Buffalo. Now she's right next to William and she still wants to know how he really feels. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 16, 2014 6:36:31 GMT
I am just watching this now. It occurs to me that William is far less disturbed by the homosexual behavior of Roderick Dalewood than he was with Wendell Merrick in Till Death Do Us Part. The word "sodomite" never comes up. Has William accepted Julia's position that we "are all animals" or has he waffled on his Catholic teachings re "the love that dare not speak its name"? Maybe William is just so gobsmacked (or intrigued) by Inspector Guillaume's threesome that homosexuality misses his moral radar!?! That or he was too busy fantasizing about taking Julia as a mistress. You know he entertained the idea before rejecting it. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 6:49:34 GMT
That or he was too busy fantasizing about taking Julia as a mistress. You know he entertained the idea before rejecting it.I'm not sure he could even entertain the idea in the factual/reasonable part of his brain, but I'm sure he fantasized about it - probably in elaborate detail. Probably for days, if not months on end. That thought was probably the equivalent of a bad music earworm for William!  |
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